GT Dec 9th: @ Canadiens

[J pold]

Fata. Already discussed in the first period.
Yeah by your mom and I!

[Patrick]

Boyd playing well.

Pardy showing why he hasnt replaced anyone on the FLames D depth chart yet.

[kermitology]

Kipper is REALLY sharp these days.

[Pagal4321]

Wow Western hockey hurts the sissies?

[Jayems]

figures.

[Patrick]

Wake the fk up.

[thefanblogger]

KIpper has been fantastic for some time

[J pold]

Not much you can do about that one.

[HPLovecraft]

I don't think it's in the cards tonight for Calgary.

Cammalleri doesn't have the size or strong to fight off Lang.

[Lchoy]

Damn you Lang

[calgARI]

terrible goal. second goal against for the top line that keenan idiotically insists on keeping together. cammalleri is brutal defensively as the center and iginla gets lazy when on the ice with bertuzzi. that line has been consistently ineffective.

[Erick Estrada]

What does Lang have against the Flames?:(

[flamesdyehard]

Let's get one before the end of the period!

[kermitology]

Canadien fans are getting cocky

[disco_inferno]

there's a sense of urgency, something that has lacked in years past. we are going to win this game.

[Patrick]

What does Lang have against the Flames?:(

Its called we cut him from training camp way back in the day.

[FlameGod]

Wow, do we always have to be down 2 goals for Keenan to realize Iginla and Bertuzzi is a NO?

[flamesdyehard]

I hate Habs fans.

[thefanblogger]

Well kipper has been fantastic just kidding need to ease the tension

[HPLovecraft]

Pardy..

[ricoFlame]

dumb.

[Patrick]

Well Prady have a seat you tool. Becnh his ass, stupid selfish penalty.

[J pold]

AHHgghhhh stupid late penalty.

[Flash Walken]

Ah, pardy, bad penalty. Was having a good shift until that crosscheck.

[flame3132]

Keenan is retarded.

[Erick Estrada]

there's a sense of urgency, something that has lacked in years past. we are going to win this game.

What game are you watching.

[Metro Gnome]

Wow...Pardy keeps digging his own grave.

[nickerjones]

i just got in as they scored the third goal ...... hows the game been ?

[Patrick]

Phaneuf is playi ng lazy again. Lazy clear by him.

[ricoFlame]

yeesh, PK definitely gettin a workout out there.

[Metro Gnome]

At least Boyd looks good again.

[flamesdyehard]

i just got in as they scored the third goal ...... hows the game been ?

They aren't playing bad, too many mistakes though. Halak is out playing Kipper, although Kipper has been pretty good himself.

[Pagal4321]

This is heart attack hockey....but I still have a good feeling about the outcome.

[FlameGod]

Habs give up the lead a lot in the third, so I'm not panicking yet.

[flamesdyehard]

Bertuzzi is playing awful now.

[J pold]

Bertuzzi! Come on!

[Pagal4321]

ARE YOU EFFINGKIDDING ME BERTUZZI....send him to the 4th line.

[ricoFlame]

sweet giveaway by bertuzzi there at the end of the period.

[koop]

Bertuzzi is still with Iginla...... I'm so sick of the Keenan Bertuzzi man love.

[Metro Gnome]

Bertuzzi is a disaster out there.

[flamesdyehard]

We can still win this game.

[LockedOut]

Cmon bench Bertuzzi. He's playing so lazy and careless with the puck like he doesn't care about the system and playing his own game.

[mattyk19]

I really, really, really, really, really, really can't stand Bertuzzi these days.

[HPLovecraft]

Bertuzzi puts up the odd point, but he really needs to be punished for the amount of pure idiocy he exudes with plays like that. The worst part is, he does those kinds of dumb-ass plays about three times a night.

[Patrick]

Phaneuf, Pardy, Bertuzzi are all playing horrible.

Iginla has been average again (minus 1 pass).

Kipper has done well even though he is still looking shaky at long shots and rebound controls.

[calgARI]

Awful defensive period after an excellent first. All kinds of major miscues and that is the difference in the game. Flames have failed miserably at consistently meeting the objectives of the game plan against this butter soft team. Keenan is being a complete idiot in keeping the Bertuzzi-Cammalleri-Iginla line together. They are not only ineffective and too fancy offensively, they are horrendous in their own end as is evident by their collective -6 tonight. Meanwhile, Lombardi is having a good game while Bertuzzi turns over the puck every time he gets it. Some pretty brutal coaching decisions and an awful job by the team in executing the game plan. They should be winning this game but are not.

[rockstar]

Looks a bit like the STL game.

I'm gonna go with that.

[Metro Gnome]

The Habs took the game over in that period. Calgary was the better team in the first, but Montreal had a handful of five alarm chances in the second.

The Bertuzzi experiment is harming this team. Again.

[AC]

Bertuzzi did make a great pass to spring Iginla on Boyd's goal.

But yes, most often he looks to passive out there.

[old-fart]

Bertie has been making some fantastic passes. Too bad most of them have been to Montreal players.

Dion looks lazy as hell out there. No hustle at all.

Flames haven't played too bad, but Montreal has clearly played better.

Except for our PP, which has been pathetic. No pressure, no ability to gain the zone, nothing. All out pathetic powerplay.

[mattyk19]

Bertuzzi is still with Iginla...... I'm so sick of the Keenan Bertuzzi man love.

Totally, man-alive - Bertuzzi is a 4th line player now. It took a year and a half to realize Conroy wasn't a top 6 forward any more. Sometimes I just don't understand the Flames management team.

[flamesdyehard]

awful defensive period after an excellent first. All kinds of major miscues and that is the difference in the game. Flames have failed miserably at consistently meeting the objectives of the game plan against this butter soft team. Keenan is being a complete idiot in keeping the bertuzzi-cammalleri-iginla line together. They are not only ineffective and too fancy offensively, they are horrendous in their own end as is evident by their collective -6 tonight. Meanwhile, lombardi is having a good game while bertuzzi turns over the puck every time he gets it. Some pretty brutal coaching decisions and an awful job by the team in executing the game plan. They should be winning this game but are not.

+1

[troutman]

MTL games are so frustrating. CGY deserves to be tied with the Habs. They get a lucky goal in the first. 5 on 5, the Flames are in control. Then, the refs invent two PPs in the first that Prof Tolkien himself could have never imagined. The fans call a penalty in the 2nd, about 10 seconds after the actual infraction.

MTL has had the better scoring chances, but CGY has had the territorial edge.

At least Christopher Robbins and Mathieu Dandrufskull were knocked out of the game.

Bert looks terrible.

[Bleeding Red]

Bertuzzi COME ON get better all ready!!

(I'm watching online with my son. He felt he had to give to Bert for that give away.)

[CentralSpark]

We can still win this game.

False.

[calgARI]

Cammalleri should not be playing center - he cannot handle the defensive responsibilities there. Lombardi should not be playing the wing because he is good enough defensively. Bertuzzi really shouldn't be playing at all considering the fact that he has turned over the puck at least a dozen times tonight.

[OilKiller]

Time for Bert to sit for a bit. I'm not sure (like others here), why Keenan insists on keeping that top line together.

Hopefully be breaks them up for the 3rd. Play Boyd and Lombo more. They are skating circles out there. Maybe Mike has a hunch about Bert? He looked like he might break out in the first, but not a great second at all for Bertuzzi.

Flames really trying to play run and gun that period as well. Not sure why? Stop trying to play into the Habs hands. Play YOUR game like you did moreso in the first.

Still have a good feeling about this game for some reason though.

[flamesdyehard]

False.

You've never seen a team come back from two down?

[Henry Fool]

[...]Halak is out playing Kipper, [...]

I question your judgement.

[Inferno]

Cant be too mad at the team right now. They've made mistakes but the puck seems to be bouncing Montreal's way all night and the Flames cant seem to get a break.

[koop]

The thing that really bothers me about Bertuzzi is that Keenan will not bench or demote him. He has NEVER shown chemistry with Iginla but every second game he's back up there. If his name wasn't Bertuzzi, Keenan would have benched him a long time ago. With Bertuzzi the highs are average, and the lows are really really low.

[flamesdyehard]

I question your judgement.

Kipper is playing well, but Halak is outplaying him, I don't see how you could argue that.

[Pagal4321]

False.

You my friend, are a debbie downer.

This game is far from over.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Bertuzzi is overcompensating.

Ever since the-event-that-shall-not-be-named, he has shelved any inkling of physical play. Instead, he's filling that part of his game with an increased helping of stickhandling-while-standing-still.

The coaching staff needs to tell him to clear the demons and start hitting players.

Or sit.

[kermitology]

Bertuzzi wears pink panties..

[Pagal4321]

Kipper is playing well, but Halak is outplaying him, I don't see how you could argue that.

Ummm, say WHAT?

Kipper has made at the LEAST 5 blockbuster saves.

Halak has made...one?

[flames2008]

Keenan is an absolute knucklehead, forcing a square peg into a round hole.

[CentralSpark]

You've never seen a team come back from two down?

The Blues are not the Canadiens.

Kipper is playing well,but Halak is making key saves as well. The second Lang goal should have been stopped. How many games is this where the goalie on the other side outperforms Kiprusoff?

[OilKiller]

Bertuzzi wears pink panties..

lol

[OilKiller]

Kipper is playing well,but Halak is making key saves as well. The second Lang goal should have been stopped. How many games is this where the goalie on the other side outperforms Kiprusoff?

Oh please...

Kipper is the last guy who should be blamed for anything tonight.

:rolleyes:

[flamesdyehard]

Ummm, say WHAT?

Kipper has made at the LEAST 5 blockbuster saves.

Halak has made...one?

5!! lol, he's played well but he's made 2 blockbuster saves and a few more good ones, he's still being slightly outplayed by Halak. Halak's rebound control is better and he's not flopping around as much as Kipper. Flames could have had 3 goals in that 1st period. Not a slight on Kipper, he's playing fine.

[Erick Estrada]

The thing that really bothers me about Bertuzzi is that Keenan will not bench or demote him. He has NEVER shown chemistry with Iginla but every second game he's back up there. If his name wasn't Bertuzzi, Keenan would have benched him a long time ago. With Bertuzzi the highs are average, and the lows are really really low.

When you hire Keenan you have to know in advance that he always gets man crushes on certain players while shunning other players that may be better. Matteau, Noonan, Zezel, Conroy, Bertuzzi. Doesn't matter if they deserve the ice time or not because he's Mike Keenan and he always knows best. The team has been playing better but Keenan's line combinations still suck.

[Henry Fool]

Kipper is playing well, but Halak is outplaying him, I don't see how you could argue that.

Quite a big difference in the kinds of saves the two goalies have had to make.

[rockstar]

The Blues are not the Canadiens.

Kipper is playing well,but Halak is making key saves as well. The second Lang goal should have been stopped. How many games is this where the goalie on the other side outperforms Kiprusoff?
Everyone on this board is outperforming you at the moment!

[flamesdyehard]

The Blues are not the Canadiens.

Kipper is playing well,but Halak is making key saves as well. The second Lang goal should have been stopped. How many games is this where the goalie on the other side outperforms Kiprusoff?

Maybe you feel that it's unlikely that the flames will come back. Fair enough. But to say the flames cannot come back, dude, that is a bad statement and will not be tolerated!!!! lol

[HPLovecraft]

The Flames can still win this. they really need to shape up though, and Keenan needs to play Iginla with Cammalleri, Boyd, Moss, Lombardi, etc, NOT Bert. They need to keep it simple and abuse the Habs players. Draw a penalty by going to the net like Iginla did, and get set-up and score. Don't pull up at the line then pass BACKWARDS ala Bertuzzi.

That was a ridiculous play, BTW.

[Pagal4321]

Why do the Debbie Downer's constantly pop up during losses?
Seriously?

[OilKiller]

Why do the Debbie Downer's constantly pop up during losses?
Seriously?

Because it doesn't make sense when the Flames are winning?

This is not a loss.

[Bagor]

OT here we come.

Which Habby gets injured this period?

[Pagal4321]

Well okay fine, during games that are still winnable.

I think we pull this out still. Book it.

[flamesdyehard]

Why do the Debbie Downer's constantly pop up during losses?
Seriously?

Not everyone can be positive like you :)

[calgARI]

If the Canadiens played in the western conference, they'd be the Hamilton Bulldogs by now. No way could they handle all the physical play that is the norm out there.

[J pold]

Why do the Debbie Downer's constantly pop up during losses?
Seriously?
I really think that some people who still considers themselves to be Flames fans, enjoy watching the Flames loose.

[flamesdyehard]

If the Canadiens played in the western conference, they'd be the Hamilton Bulldogs by now. No way could they handle all the physical play that is the norm out there.

To be fair, Gainey would likely have made a few different moves.

[nwflamesfan]

Iggy Bert line looks to be broken up to start the period

[HPLovecraft]

Dumb offensive decisions being made right now.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Flames getting chances, Canadians are as well. It's a pretty good game, won't be upset if we lose this one at all.

[Patrick]

Aucoin is brutal pinching on the blueline.

[Metro Gnome]

Whats with these stretch passes from the defensive zone? You can't beat the trap that way...

[calgARI]

Just froze that play and it wasn't even close to being offsides. Not even close.

[MrMastodonFarm]

False.
I wonder which previously banned poster you are.

[Savvy27]

LOL... Simmer sure took that comment about the ice conditions and ran with it.

The Flames are going to have to grind their way back into this game. The Habs are using a 0-5 forecheck and the Flames are trying to carry it in over and over.

[J pold]

Scores.......????

[HPLovecraft]

Nothing being done. No risks, no urgency right now.

Let's hope this counts.

[Joborule]

That can't be a goal. Net was off before then I think.

[Jayems]

that won't count and we'll not get a PP

[J pold]

I wonder which previously banned poster you are.
MainFlame would be my bet.

[LockedOut]

That looked like a goal to me.

[FlameGod]

Flames having some bad luck on the ice.

[Metro Gnome]

That's a close one.

Should be an interference call at the very least.

[HPLovecraft]

From the two perspectives I seen, I think this will be called off as inconclusive, the on-ice call stands.

[Torture]

that won't count and we'll not get a PP

Just watch, we'll get a goaltender interference penalty instead. :rolleyes:

[rockstar]

that won't count and we'll not get a PP
The letter Q, the letter F, the letter T.
Why can't I say that?

Gio was not tripped and I don't think the puck was in on time.

[Patrick]

Should be a goal or a penalty.

Flames luck = neither

[calgARI]

great time for commercial

[kermitology]

Wow.. no goal.. no penalty

[nickerjones]

so we dont get a goal or a penalty on that ???

[Patrick]

Need to score here.

[J pold]

Ha-Ha Tanguay

Suck it!

[IgiTang]

I really think that some people who still considers themselves to be Flames fans, enjoy watching the Flames loose.

I like it when the Flames are loose... I dont like it when the Flames lose.

[thefanblogger]

The flames played very well tonight can't be really upset with the game tonight I thought they played very well. I am not to concerned with the loss tonight at all. I am very happy with Boyd tonight he has played very well

[MJM]

How was that not atleast a penalty? Rooney is terrible.

[HPLovecraft]

Good time for SNET to go to commercial.

[Metro Gnome]

Oh well. Can't see how that wasn't interference.

At least the hockey gods oblige with a BS delay of game penalty right after.

[Patrick]

Time for Iginla to play like the captain and leader of this team.

Guy has been average. WAITING FOR HIM to wake up...only been 25+ games so far.

[1Nite]

How many times in recent memory have the Flames got one of these call in their favor?

[nickerjones]

nice puck movement .. at least that is something positive..

[gonzo29]

Flames need to be harder on the puck on the PP.

[snowdude]

Time for Iginla to play like the captain and leader of this team.

Guy has been average. WAITING FOR HIM to wake up...only been 25+ games so far.

Just like Dion's been "terrible" right?
Jeeze.

[HPLovecraft]

I don't see the urgency.

[Jayems]

we totally just blew a 20 second 5-on-3

[MrMastodonFarm]

Time for Iginla to play like the captain and leader of this team.

Guy has been average. WAITING FOR HIM to wake up...only been 25+ games so far.

5th in the league in points, average?

I know I know, that beautiful pass to Boyd was just padding his stats.

[J pold]

Time for Iginla to play like the captain and leader of this team.

Guy has been average. WAITING FOR HIM to wake up...only been 25+ games so far.
Didn't see the First goal did yah?

[calgARI]

Bertuzzi gets dumber and dumber and dumber.

[VladtheImpaler]

This game has reminded me of why I hate the Habs - there is no luckier franchise in any sport. This game is a microcosm of their 1993 Cup win - a crappy/mediocre team, riding good/flukey goaltending, lucky scoring and munificent refereeing to a win. :)

[HPLovecraft]

Why the **** do you not give that to the Montreal players??

Bertuzzi and Iginla acting brain dead. Good lord. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[Flash Walken]

It would be nice to still have Hamrlik.

[Jayems]

goddamn these guys are frustrating to watch

[Kidder]

I want Bertuzzi off this team.

Pure idiocy there missing the net there and negating a 20 second 5 on 3. I'm so tired of his big oaf act.

[Patrick]

Well Iginla continues to look like a .

[Phaneuf3]

Time for Iginla to play like the captain and leader of this team.

Guy has been average. WAITING FOR HIM to wake up...only been 25+ games so far.
lol, wut?
what specifically are you expecting when he wakes up?

[MJM]

Our PP is nothing short of embarassing. How does Preston still have a job!

[FlameGod]

Why is Bertuzzi on the PP? He passes and passes and passes.... to no one.

[Jayems]

new rule: never say phaneuf is hurt unless he actually is.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Why the **** do you not give that to the Montreal players??

Bertuzzi and Iginla acting brain dead. Good lord. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

It was a 6on4, why just give it away? dumb move.

[Metro Gnome]

Flames have zero puck control on their PP tonight.

[J pold]

Powerplays are frustrating.

[MrMastodonFarm]

new rule: never say phaneuf is hurt unless he actually is.

Newer rule, cyborgs don't get hurt, his CPU was just restarting.

[VladtheImpaler]

Bertuzzi gets dumber and dumber and dumber.

Amen - who needs a 5 on 3 - I'll just wire it Iginla's head and out of the zone.

PS Iginla looks awful as does the PP in general.

[HPLovecraft]

No smarts on this PP. In this whole period.

[calgARI]

It is some painfully obvious that the Flames spend no time at all in practice on the powerplay.

[Jayems]

Wow, MTL players just turn their back every time they're about to get hit.

[Patrick]

And the combination of lazy play and coaching continues to hurt this PP and make it inconsistent.

[BlackArcher101]

Holy crap, this thread turned into the sky is falling pretty damn quick. Wow.

[MrMastodonFarm]

lol, wut?
what specifically are you expecting when he wakes up?

4th in the league in points?

5th is lazy.

[Jayems]

g'night folks.

[Pagal4321]

Wow BRUTAL giveaway.

[ricoFlame]

jeez, well there you go.

[gonzo29]

That's all on Sarich.

[HPLovecraft]

It was a 6on4, why just give it away? dumb move.

You have a better chance at scoring when there are fewer opposing players on the ice, not when there are more. Less legs and pressure. That is why it was dumb.

[thefanblogger]

I still like the teams effort tonight even though the power play was horrible, nothing much more to say about our power play tonight.

[flamesdyehard]

Okay, now we might be in trouble.

[Metro Gnome]

And there's the game.

[Patrick]

Sarich wih a Pardy like giveaway.

Aucoin, Pardy and Sarich have been brutal.

[MrMastodonFarm]

You have a better chance at scoring when there are fewer opposing players on the ice, not when there are more. Less legs and pressure. That is why it was dumb.

I'd like to see why that is a fact as you state it.

[Inferno]

The hockey god ass kissing continues for Montreal.

[Eastern Girl]

Great. Can't hear that stupid Ole chant enough.

[MJM]

PP has to be fixed for us to get to the next level. Man is it embarassing watching us with the man advantage. We get more shorthanded chances than we do on the PP!

[J pold]

Ugh. Well at least they have already reached my point expectations on this road trip.

[Erick Estrada]

Sarich wih a Pardy like giveaway.

Aucoin, Pardy and Sarich have been brutal.

Sarich is always brutal. The worst defenseman on the team.

[old-fart]

Wow, our PP does absolutely nothing for four solid minutes which, big surprise, turns the momentum back to Montreal who promptly score after Sarich screws the pooch.

Typical with this team. Win a couple, play a decent period, then crap the bed.

Our PP is retarded.

[thefanblogger]

Sarach brutal no other words on that

[Phaneuf3]

4th in the league in points?

5th is lazy.
he must have more points than everyone else in the league....... combined.

[calgARI]

Flames piss away 2 points thanks to some awful coaching and some braindead players.

[HPLovecraft]

I'd like to see why that is a fact as you state it.

How many games do you see when a team has time to set-up and get good cross-ice chances on a 6-on-4 as opposed to a 5-on-3? Every team I played on when I was younger always taught to get it to the net, hope for some type of rebound, and if not, the opposing team will touch it.

I would like to hear your reasoning for thinking 6-on-4 is a better chance at scoring.

[flamesdyehard]

I'd like to see why that is a fact as you state it.

A 5 on 3 is wayyy better than a 6 on 4. Just as a 4 on 3 is wayyy better than a 5 on 4. Less men, same one man advantage, how long have you watched hockey?

[old-fart]

Flames can't even score on an empty net as Langkow casually smacks the puck, leaving lots of time for Halak to get over to make the save.

Any Montreal player would have buried that.

[Bent Wookie]

Montreal lucky to get outta this one with the win.

They are highly overrated. It was funny, I was never once worried we weren't going to win this game. Not a lot of bounces went our way tonight whereas the Canadians seemed to get them all. Maybe that's the story of their season thus far.

[MrMastodonFarm]

A 5 on 3 is wayyy better than a 6 on 4. Just as a 4 on 3 is wayyy better than a 5 on 4. Less men, same one man advantage, how long have you watched hockey?
Couple days.

What's an icing?

Anything like an Iced Cap?

[OilKiller]

Yikes...Flames deserved a better fate tonight.

[Phaneuf3]

I would like to hear your reasoning for thinking 6-on-4 is a better chance at scoring.
Simply because it would have been ~15 second in 5 on 3. You lose that faceoff and you get nothing. 6-on-4 you still have your 2 man advantage and possession of the puck.

I dunno - makes a bit of sense to me.

[flamesdyehard]

Meh, we're okay, we'll beat Detroit tomorrow night for a 3-1 roadie.

[Ryan Coke]

I'd like to see why that is a fact as you state it.

You need him to prove something that is painfully obvious?

[MrMastodonFarm]

How many games do you see when a team has time to set-up and get good cross-ice chances on a 6-on-4 as opposed to a 5-on-3? Every team I played on when I was younger always taught to get it to the net, hope for some type of rebound, and if not, the opposing team will touch it.

I would like to hear your reasoning for thinking 6-on-4 is a better chance at scoring.

Hey, you're the one stating it as a fact. I don't care either way. I would have preferred the 5on3, I just thought the uproar was hilarious.

[old-fart]

Montreal lucky to get outta this one with the win.

They are highly overrated. It was funny, I was never once worried we weren't going to win this game. Not a lot of bounces went are way tonight whereas the Canadians seemed to get them all. Maybe that's the story of their season thus far.

That "lucky, highly overrated" team it much MUCH better than the Flames. Agree that not a lot of bounces went our way, but you make your own bounces and the Flames, especially on the PP, have caused their own grief with pathetic play.

Now they are all trying to do it themselves and are, big surprise, having zero success.

Montreal is bad far a better team than the Flames.

[MrMastodonFarm]

You need him to prove something that is painfully obvious?

Sure, let's go with that.

[flamesdyehard]

Simply because it would have been ~15 second in 5 on 3. You lose that faceoff and you get nothing. 6-on-4 you still have your 2 man advantage and possession of the puck.

I dunno - makes a bit of sense to me.

Maybe in that particular situation. But in general a 6 on 4 is harder to score on than a 5 on 3.

[Canuck-Hater]

Rematch in February, Flames will get their revenge. Are you serious? the goodbye song? what is this the playoffs?

[HPLovecraft]

Simply because it would have been ~15 second in 5 on 3. You lose that faceoff and you get nothing. 6-on-4 you still have your 2 man advantage and possession of the puck.

I dunno - makes a bit of sense to me.

Possibly, but at the same time you outnumber the other team by a good bit, and if you get the faceoff battle to the boards, he will have only one player there, and you should win it.

I would go for a 5-on-3 no matter what there is left. You risk it. You have the better chance.

[Flash Walken]

Flames getting chances, Canadians are as well. It's a pretty good game, won't be upset if we lose this one at all.

Agreed. This has been a great game, Kipper has played great, Halak has played great. Good physicality.

Boils down to puck luck.

Bertuzzi has been really bad and really good. Sometimes that means +2 and sometimes it means -2.

But overall good game.

[koop]

Why is Boyd back on the 4th?

[Phaneuf3]

Maybe in that particular situation. But in general a 6 on 4 is harder to score on than a 5 on 3.
In general... yes. This situation, I'd be fine if they wanted to try the 6-on-4. Its not clearly the better option but not outrageous if they decided to try it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Simply because it would have been ~15 second in 5 on 3. You lose that faceoff and you get nothing. 6-on-4 you still have your 2 man advantage and possession of the puck.

I dunno - makes a bit of sense to me.

That's what I think. You're down in the game, why give up possession. You're on the attack, with the puck, with 2 extra men. Stay with it, then get the two minutes.

I see the other side too,I just don't think it's as given as some like to think.

[flamesdyehard]

Sure, let's go with that.


Haha, so you're one of those who like to disagree with everyone, even himself, just to make a dumb argument.

[J pold]

Now I remember why I don't venture into the Game Threads anymore.

[HotHotHeat]

Habs fans are hilarious.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Agreed. This has been a great game, Kipper has played great, Halak has played great. Good physicality.

Boils down to puck luck.

Bertuzzi has been really bad and really good. Sometimes that means +2 and sometimes it means -2.

But overall good game.

Yup, it hasn't been a bad game. Montreal is a speedy team, and used it to their advantage. Flames have been playing well lately, can't win them all.

[thefanblogger]

Lets not be to hard on this team tonight guys please losses are going to happen lets keep this in reality one loss does not make a season. Boyd looked very good our defense took a step back but lets not jump off any bridges with one loss okay.

[flamesdyehard]

In general... yes. This situation, I'd be fine if they wanted to try the 6-on-4. Its not clearly the better option but not outrageous if they decided to try it.

Fair enough.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Haha, so you're one of those who like to disagree with everyone, even himself, just to make a dumb argument.

Not really, but if that makes you feel better, sure.

[HPLovecraft]

Sarich trying to take out Bertuzzi himself, haha.

[mattyk19]

This was not such a bad game, aside from Bertuzzi. I read earlier in the thread someone ragging on Iggy. That should result in an automatic two year suspension from wearing the Flames jersey for whomever that 'fan' was. He looked good tonight. The Flames were simply out-coached. The players (minus Bertuzzi) played well IMO, but Montreal called our number. This was Keenan vs Carbonneau, and Carbonneau won.

[VladtheImpaler]

I never say this, but I hope a Hab gets injured - they're such an undeserving team.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Just one of those nights...

[Bent Wookie]

That "lucky, highly overrated" team it much MUCH better than the Flames. Agree that not a lot of bounces went our way, but you make your own bounces and the Flames, especially on the PP, have caused their own grief with pathetic play.

Now they are all trying to do it themselves and are, big surprise, having zero success.

Montreal is bad far a better team than the Flames.

Funny... I don't recall comparing the flames to the habs.

But since you mention it, I disagree. I would bet on the flames in a 7 game playoff series.

I have always loved that saying that you 'create your own bounces'. That is such a load of BS and is more a line to motivate an underachieving team then it is truth.

[Joborule]

Iggy, fighting isn't going to make you play much better.

[Jayems]

lol, what a puss

[MrMastodonFarm]

I never say this, but I hope a Hab gets injured - they're such an undeserving team.

That would be three on the night!

[nickerjones]

real original chants there hab fans... lol

[FlameGod]

Better luck tomorrow, I say.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Iggy, fighting isn't going to make you play much better.

It usually does.

[flamesdyehard]

Not really, but if that makes you feel better, sure.


I really don't care either. I just thought it was hilarious that you made someone explain to you why a 5 on 3 is better than a 6 on 4. It made you look really dumb, that's all. I just don't think you are a very smart person now.

[TheSpecialist]

Phaneuf gets nailed!

[HelloHockeyFans]

Boy did Markov ever turtle FAST lol

[Metro Gnome]

That is a BS play by Markov.

[HPLovecraft]

Markov throws a HUGE knee.

[nik-]

are those fans actually singing hey hey hey goodbye?

Is this actually happening? Is Montreal some bizarro world?

[thefanblogger]

I really can not complain to much with this teams effort tonight except the power play.

[TheSpecialist]

That was actually a dirty play by Markov.

[nickerjones]

thats pretty dirty ... he is one fine dirty player

[Phaneuf3]

.... simply stunning....
stay classy, montreal.

[kermitology]

That's a mean knee hit there Markov..

[MrMastodonFarm]

I really don't care either. I just thought it was hilarious that you made someone explain to you why a 5 on 3 is better than a 6 on 4. It made you look really dumb, that's all. I just don't think you are a very smart person now.

Well, that won't effect me at all.

I see both sides of it, in that situation I'd prefer if they kept it. I was asking him to state why it was a fact, and not up for debate.

[Metro Gnome]

No penalty on Markov??

[nickerjones]

these refs are pathetic

[ricoFlame]

stuck out his leg. should be a penalty.

[Joborule]

It usually does.
end of the game, and he still has to find his mojo of the season. I can't see it having any impact for the future. Either do it earlier or don't bother with unnecessary risks.

[Jayems]

I've never really known what ugly as sin was until just now.

[Bent Wookie]

are those fans actually singing hey hey hey goodbye?

Is this actually happening? Is Montreal some bizarro world?


Haha... I thought I was the only one thinking that.

Their fans are horrible. For being a hockey town, they certainly don't seem particularly educated.

[TheSpecialist]

Markov's face looks like a disaster!!

[Joborule]

are those fans actually singing hey hey hey goodbye?

Is this actually happening? Is Montreal some bizarro world?
They always sing that song when they have a way for a lock.

[Dion_Iggy_Kipper!!!]

You can just tell what Dion is thinking

urge to kill....rising

[Flash Walken]

Send out Roy and take the 1 game.

That's the kind of dirt ball garbage that needs on-ice policing.

[Kipper is King]

The flames are stinking it up tonight. You know when the Montréal fans are singing that the game is over... And they were singing a while ago.

It seems like the flames just couldn't gain the zone all game long.

[BlackArcher101]

I think I have a new hated rival

[habernac]

Haha... I thought I was the only one thinking that.

Their fans are horrible. For being a hockey town, they certainly don't seem particularly educated.

because they sing and have fun at hockey games? For shame!!

:rolleyes:

[TheSpecialist]

Damn...When this Flames team s**ts the bed they sure do it in a big way!!

[FlameGod]

The Habs fanbase makes me want to stab someone.

[habernac]

That was actually a dirty play by Markov.

agreed. Not something he's known for, but not cool all the same.

[flamesdyehard]

Decent effort by the flames, 7-3 in the last ten. Back on the horse boys, tough one tomorrow at the Joe.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I think I have a new hated rival

Why didn't you hate the Habs before?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Damn...When this Flames team s**ts the bed they sure do it in a big way!!

You honestly think it was that bad?

[Bent Wookie]

because they sing and have fun at hockey games? For shame!!

:rolleyes:

No, not at all... I actually love that.

Cheering at an injury, dirty hit... booing whenever a Hab falls down wanting some phantom call, etc, etc....

[Flash Walken]

The flames are stinking it up tonight. You know when the Montréal fans are singing that the game is over... And they were singing a while ago.

It seems like the flames just couldn't gain the zone all game long.What?

Seemed to me like the flames dominated good portions of the game, and had some excellent sustained pressure.

For a few minutes in the second, the Canadiens couldnt gain the red line.

[AC]

I really don't care either. I just thought it was hilarious that you made someone explain to you why a 5 on 3 is better than a 6 on 4. It made you look really dumb, that's all. I just don't think you are a very smart person now.

Look, had they given the puck over it would have been 15 seconds of a 5-on-3. Which is great, unless you lose the faceoff. I would rather take the 15 seconds of a guaranteed 2-man advantage WITH the puck.

Sure if it was a guarantee you'd win the faceoff, go for the turnover. I just don't see a problem with it.

[TheSpecialist]

You honestly think it was that bad?

Usually when the Flames lose, the scores are lopsided.

[flamesdyehard]

When you look at the 4-1 score it looks a little bit ugly, but it wasnt that bad. The Flames played alright.

[Flinch]

because they sing and have fun at hockey games? For shame!!

:rolleyes:

More like they act like immature twats whenever there's a hockey game, whether it's deserved or not.

Team is losing? Let's pick a scapegoat (O'Byrne! Koivu! Etc!) and run him down.

Team is winning in a game against an opponent they see rarely? Let's act as though this was game 7 of a Conference Final!

Player on the ice who 'should have' signed with the club (Briere!)? Boo him relentlessly, even though he did nothing wrong.

Win a playoff series?

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/9/92/Sq-burning-cars-montreal-cb.jpg
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/8/8f/Inside-habs-riot-cp-4710814.jpg
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/c/ce/Rioters2.jpg

You're right. Burning police cars and rioting is a lot of fun!

[flamesdyehard]

Look, had they given the puck over it would have been 15 seconds of a 5-on-3. Which is great, unless you lose the faceoff. I would rather take the 15 seconds of a guaranteed 2-man advantage WITH the puck.

Sure if it was a guarantee you'd win the faceoff, go for the turnover. I just don't see a problem with it.

No, I agree, in this situation it was okay. But we were talking about what's easier to score on.... Obviously a 5 on 3 is a better scoring opportunity under normal circumstances.

[BlackArcher101]

Why didn't you hate the Habs before?

I was a nice guy? :whistle: Perhaps I did, it was just reinforced now.

[thefanblogger]

When you look at the 4-1 score it looks a little bit ugly, but it wasnt that bad. The Flames played alright.


Exactly the score does not reflect the game, the only complaint I have is the power play I just hope they find away to fix this. But I am still really up beat on this team.

[taco.vidal]

Montreal has awesome hockey fans.
A few bad apples spoil it for everyone. The last hockey riot in Montreal wasnt a hockey riot - punks who probably didnt even watch the game thought it would be a good time to light some fires.
Just like the Red Mile degenerated into people going down to 17th to drink on the street, pick fights, and be obnoxious to everyone including cops, and not have anything to do with the hockey game.

Montreal's rink is always a lively place - tonite, a Tuesday night against an oponent they rarely see where theres no rivalry and the crowd was into the game. Look at everyone complain about the Leafs and how quiet their building is even on a HNIC game.

More like they act like immature twats whenever there's a hockey game, whether it's deserved or not.

Team is losing? Let's pick a scapegoat (O'Byrne! Koivu! Etc!) and run him down.

Team is winning in a game against an opponent they see rarely? Let's act as though this was game 7 of a Conference Final!

Player on the ice who 'should have' signed with the club (Briere!)? Boo him relentlessly, even though he did nothing wrong.

Win a playoff series?

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/9/92/Sq-burning-cars-montreal-cb.jpg
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/8/8f/Inside-habs-riot-cp-4710814.jpg
http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/images/c/ce/Rioters2.jpg

You're right. Burning police cars and rioting is a lot of fun!

[Ryan Coke]

Look, had they given the puck over it would have been 15 seconds of a 5-on-3. Which is great, unless you lose the faceoff. I would rather take the 15 seconds of a guaranteed 2-man advantage WITH the puck.

Sure if it was a guarantee you'd win the faceoff, go for the turnover. I just don't see a problem with it.

The issue of whether it would have been a good idea in this situation is certainly debatable, but that wasn't what MMF decided to battle on.

He challenged whether it is better to have a 5 on 3 vs a 6 on 4, or a 4 on 3 vs a 6 on 5. Trying to challenge that was bizarre. Challenge the time left and the risks involved with that, sure.

[Flinch]

Montreal has awesome hockey fans.
A few bad apples spoil it for everyone. The last hockey riot in Montreal wasnt a hockey riot - punks who probably didnt even watch the game thought it would be a good time to light some fires.
Just like the Red Mile degenerated into people going down to 17th to drink on the street, pick fights, and be obnoxious to everyone including cops, and not have anything to do with the hockey game.

Shall I hop onto YT and bring up the clips where you can very clearly hear fans going "OLE! OLE!"?

The problem is that Montreal's good fans are ALWAYS outshined by their ###### fans, because there are so many of them. You don't get the television mic picking up boos when it's just a 'few' bad fans.

Montreal's rink is always a lively place - tonite, a Tuesday night against an oponent they rarely see where theres no rivalry and the crowd was into the game. Look at everyone complain about the Leafs and how quiet their building is even on a HNIC game.

That's great. You know what else is lively? Monster truck rallies.

[habernac]

Shall I hop onto YT and bring up the clips where you can very clearly hear fans going "OLE! OLE!"?

The problem is that Montreal's good fans are ALWAYS outshined by their ###### fans, because there are so many of them. You don't get the television mic picking up boos when it's just a 'few' bad fans.



That's great. You know what else is lively? Monster truck rallies.

so by your mentality I should just assume that all Flames are sore losers then?

[MrMastodonFarm]

The issue of whether it would have been a good idea in this situation is certainly debatable, but that wasn't what MMF decided to battle on.

He challenged whether it is better to have a 5 on 3 vs a 6 on 4, or a 4 on 3 vs a 6 on 5. Trying to challenge that was bizarre. Challenge the time left and the risks involved with that, sure.

Actually, I asked him why it would have been a fact it's better. Considering the post was in a game thread during a game it's dumb to think I wasn't talking about that scenario.