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SteveToms
04-25-2008, 10:25 AM
Post in this thread.

rubecube
04-25-2008, 11:13 AM
A couple of good references for mocks and prospects:

www.nfldraftcountdown.com (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com)
www.footballsfuture.com (http://www.footballsfuture.com)

Bobblehead
04-25-2008, 11:44 AM
Every mock draft I have seen shows the 49ers taking DeSean Jackson out of CAL in the first round. I don't follow enough to comment, but I guess the 49ers want to give Alex Smith better weapons so they have a chance to finally decide if he can ever evolve into the player he showed.

Personally, I think the Niners need more help on the D-Line, but there are a number of holes to fill. If Joe Staley builds on his rookie year then amybe the O-line can hold up.

Prototype
04-25-2008, 12:08 PM
I got a feeling Jake Long will go #1... not sure what it is, but I just got a hunch... ;)

rubecube
04-25-2008, 01:04 PM
1. Miami Dolphins - Jake Long OT (Michigan)
2. St. Louis Rams - Chris Long DE (Virginia)
3. Atlanta Falcons - Glen Dorsey DT (LSU)
4. Oakland Raiders - Vernon Gholston DE (Ohio St.)
5. Kansas City Chiefs - Ryan Clady OT (Boise St.)
6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden RB (Arkansas)
7. New England Patriots - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Tennessee St.)
8. Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan QB (Boston College)
9. Cincinnati Bengals - Sedrick Ellis DT (USC)
10. New Orleans Saints - Leodis McKelvin CB (Troy)
11. Buffalo Bills - Devin Thomas WR (Michigan State)
12. Denver Broncos - Jeff Otah OT (Pittsburgh)
13. Carolina Panthers - Branden Albert G/T (Virginia)
14. Chicago Bears - Rashard Mendenhall RB (Illinois)
15. Detroit Lions - Chris Williams OT (Vanderbilt)
16. Arizona Cardinals - Mike Jenkins CB (South Florida)
17. Kansas City Chiefs - Derrick Harvey DE (Florida)
18. Houston Texans - Jonathan Stewart RB (Oregon)
19. Philadelphia Eagles - Kenny Phillips S (Miami)
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Aqib Talib CB (Kansas)
21. Washington Redskins - Calais Campbell DE (Miami)
22. Dallas Cowboys - Desean Jackson WR (Cal)
23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Quentin Groves DE/OLB (Auburn)
24. Tennessee Titans - Limas Sweed WR (Texas)
25. Seattle Seahawks - Kentwan Balmer DT (UNC)
26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Phillip Merling DE (Clemson)
27. San Diego Chargers - Justin King CB (Penn St.)
28. Dallas Cowboys - Felix Jones RB (Arkansas)
29. San Francisco 49ers - Sam Baker OT (USC)
30. Green Bay Packers - Antoine Cason CB (Arizona)
31. New York Giants - Jerod Mayo ILB (Tennessee)
32. New England Patriots - forfeited

Sainters7
04-25-2008, 01:35 PM
Alright I'll take a stab at a Top 10 mock draft just for gigs, I'm definitely far from an expert though.

1. Miami- Jake Long, T, Michigan - just to make sure I got at least one right :p.

2. St. Louis- Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU - best player in the draft IMO. He's the kind of player that makes others around him better.

3. Atlanta- Matt Ryan, QB, BC - tough call here b/t him and Long. A little high to select Ryan here, but I think with Dorsey off the board they go QB, and help people forget about ol #7.

4. Oakland- Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas - I had a tough call here b/t him and Chris Long, son of former Raider great Howie Long. But I think Skeletor would love to get his hands on a playmaker like McFadden.

5. Kansas City- Chris Long, DE, Virginia - They want to rebuild that once-great OL, but with Long surprisingly falling into their laps, it's a no-brainer.

6. NY Jets- Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio St - Could be Ellis here too, especially with trading away Dewayne Robertson this week. I'll admit, this one's a complete stab in the dark. From what I hear they really want Chris Long or McFadden. With both off the board, I just picked BPA here, and Gholston is a freak.

7- New England- Keith Rivers, OLB, USC - really tough call here between Rivers and McKelvin, and G Branden Albert too. Despite losing both Asante Samuel and Randall Gay in FA, I just can't see the Pats passing on Rivers here, to inject some youth into a very aging LB corps. He also has the right attitude to fit in with the organization, he's definitely a "Pats player". Although I wouldn't be surprised if it were McKelvin here.

8- Baltimore- Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy - with Matt Ryan off the board, word is the Ravens may trade down here(possibly with the Saints so they can grab Ellis). But I'm not predicting trades in this Mock, and McKelvin would make that secondary look even more fierce. Plus he's a dynamic KR too, which is another area the Ravens could use an upgrade.

9- Cincinnati- Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC - the Bengals need to plug holes on the D in a big way, and Ellis makes too much sense to pass on him here. Great attitude as well, which is something the Bengals badly need right now. I've heard that in a different year, Ellis may have gone first over-all.

10- New Orleans - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida - kind of a sad state of affairs with the way my Mock turned out for the Saints, whose top 3 choices all got snatched up in the last three straight picks. I still think the Saints will try to trade up a couple spots to grab Ellis(or possibly Rivers or McKelvin), but in this no-trade mock, the Saints select who many feel is the best CB in the draft. Jenkins is physical, and may be the best fit for the Saints out of the '08 CB class. Could also be Rodgers-Cromartie here, but I hope the Saints don't buy into the hype, he's way too unpolished, and has a reputation for not playing with enough intensity. Word is he also has a problem listening to coaches.

...anyways, that's her. By no means is it perfect, but I spent the better part of an hour on it and am happy with it. Feel free to discuss...

Swayze11
04-25-2008, 04:46 PM
Ok heres my mock

1 - Miami - Chris Long, OT - Michigan
Hes already signed so theres no question about this one

2 - St. Louis - Chris Long - DE - Virginia
St. Louis would be stupid to pass on this guy, hes what the Rams need.
possible second pick: Vernon Gholston

3 - Atlanta - Vernon Gholston - DE - Ohio State
Atlanta needs a TON of help of defence, well now that I think about it they need a ton of help everywhere.
possible second pick: Leodis McKelvin

4 - Oakland - Glen Dorsey - DT - LSU
With Sapp gone, no question about it he will be missed and this is a big hole the Raiders need to fill. They addressed most of their needs on defence through free agency.
possible second pick: Darren McFadden

5 - Kansas City - Matt Ryan - QB - Boston College
They need a better QB or a "future star"
possible second pick: Sedrick Ellis

6 - New York Jets - Darren McFadden - RB - Arkansas
Jets REALLY want McFadden.
possible second pick: Leodis McKelvin

7 - New England - Leodis McKelvin - CB - Troy
They need to replace Samuel.
possible second pick: Sedrick Ellis

8 - Baltimore - Keith Rivers - LB - USC
Ray Lewis isnt exactly young
possible second pick: Matt Ryan if he drops

9 - Cincinnati - Derrick Harvey - DE - Florida
This guy was really good, and Bengals need ANY help they can get on defence
possible second pick: Sedrick Ellis

10 - New Oreleans - Sedrick Ellis - DT - USC
Hes good and if he drops this far Saints will pick the best choice possible.
possible second pick: Dominique Cromartie

Possible trades:
-I think cowboys are gonna trade up as far as possible and grab McFadden, They have 2 first round picks and anyone will trade 2 first rounders for 1 high pick.
- I think Atlanta will trade the 3rd overall pick, they are loaded with picks and they want more. They need all the help they can get so the more picks they have the better chance they can draft a future superstar.
-Miami will probably trade Jason Taylor and try and get a 1st round pick out of it. Personally I dont think they can get a 1st rounder but you never know.

burn_baby_burn
04-25-2008, 04:55 PM
Holy crap Sainters. How do you find the time? :eek:

SteveToms
04-25-2008, 05:43 PM
I will put mine up sometime tonight, still reading some rumors and notes. I may include trades in mine

Sainters7
04-25-2008, 06:41 PM
Holy crap Sainters. How do you find the time? :eek:

It's my day off baby! Got to bum around the house all day and just got home from a free meal at The Keg, after some hoser up here at the start of the year bet me a steak dinner that the Oilers would have a better year than the Flames. I cashed that bad boy in tonight. It's been a great day!:cool:

Saint Troy
04-26-2008, 08:04 AM
I'll attempt a top ten....

1.Miami-Jake Long OT-boring solid pick

2.Rams- Chris Long DE- allows them to move Carriker inside full time.

3.Dirty Birds-Matt Ryan QB- Lots of Dorsey talk but Ryan is their guy.

4.Raiders- Darren McFadden RB-Big Al wants to watch a stud RB before he checks out.

5.Chiefs- Glen Dorsey DT***trade alert*** Saints send their first and third rounders to the Chefs to move up and get Glen Dorsey. Saints had to move up when Dorsey was still on the board, and the Chiefs add to their stable of picks.

6. Jets- Vernon Gholston DE- Great guy to play on the outside of a 3-4 defence.

7. Patriots- Sedrick Ellis DT- Patriots take the best player available, and he's a beast.

8. Baltimore- Leodis McKelvin CB- Time to address the aging secondary though they were hoping Ryan would fall.

9. Bungles- Keith Rivers LB- They wanted one of the big DT's but the Pats and Saints gut punch them.

10. Chefs- Brandon Albert OT/G -Clady was considered but Albert is mountain of guy and has more upside.

Sainters7
04-26-2008, 08:22 AM
5.Chiefs- Glen Dorsey DT***trade alert*** Saints send their first and third rounders to the Chefs to move up and get Glen Dorsey. Saints had to move up when Dorsey was still on the board, and the Chiefs add to their stable of picks.

Now that I could live with. Moving up to 5 is alot more reasonable than moving up to #2.

Saint Troy
04-26-2008, 08:31 AM
Now that I could live with. Moving up to 5 is alot more reasonable than moving up to #2.

I don't care which tackle we get, but I think the Falcons will get a new QB to get rid of the Vick stink, which will allow Dorsey to fall a little. The Chiefs do not want to pay 5th overall money and they can add depth, I will be shocked if they don't move that pick to someone.

moon
04-26-2008, 09:53 AM
1. Miami Dolphins -- Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2. St. Louis Rams -- Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3. Atlanta Falcons -- Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
4. Oakland Raiders -- Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5. Kansas City Chiefs -- Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State
6. New York Jets -- Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
7. N.E. Patriots (from 5-11 S.F.) -- Keith Rivers, OLB, USC
8. Baltimore Ravens -- Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
9. Cincinnati Bengals -- Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
10. New Orleans Saints -- Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
11. Buffalo Bills -- Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
12. Denver Broncos -- Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
13. Carolina Panthers -- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tenn. St.
4. Chicago Bears -- Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
15. Detroit Lions -- Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
16. Arizona Cardinals – Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
17. Kansas City (from 8-8 Minnesota) -- Branden Albert, OT/G, Virginia
18. Houston Texans -- Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
19. Philadelphia Eagles -- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- James Hardy, WR, Indiana
21. Washington Redskins -- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
22. Dallas Cowboys (from 10-6 CLE) -- Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
23. Pittsburgh Steelers -- Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
24. Tennessee Titans -- Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
25. Seattle Seahawks -- Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
26. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
27. San Diego Chargers – Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
28. Dallas Cowboys – Antoine Cason, CB Arizona
29. S.F. 49ers (from 13-3 IND) -- DeSean Jackson, WR, California
30. Green Bay Packers -- Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
31. New York Giants -- Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State

troutman
04-26-2008, 10:37 AM
NE needs linebackers.

CLE - no 1st round pick- WTF? What did they get from DAL?

burn_baby_burn
04-26-2008, 11:01 AM
NE needs linebackers.

CLE - no 1st round pick- WTF? What did they get from DAL?

The Cowboys first round pick last year that they used to select Quinn Brady.

Sylvanfan
04-26-2008, 11:53 AM
I'd be quite content if the scenario that Saint Troy suggests was to transpire for the Chiefs. The offensive line is still a major problem for the team, and it needs too much help in a lot of areas. From what I gather there is not that much difference between the players at this point in the draft where moving down a few spots to get another crack in the top 80 wouldn't be worth considering. Even at position 10 there is enough viable options for the Chiefs to fill the needs that they have.

Sylvanfan
04-26-2008, 01:14 PM
Chris Long goes #2 to the St.Louis Rams.

I think his name may have been a factor. If you have to pay that type of money to a player who's never played, I think you want to try and figure out if the player will have the character to earn that money. I would think the son of Howie Long will be a guy who is a pretty safe pick.

Matt Ryan does go #3 to Atlanta.

McFadden 4th to the Raiders.

Chiefs surprise a lot of people and take Glenn Dorsy #5.

Saint Troy
04-26-2008, 02:04 PM
I'd be quite content if the scenario that Saint Troy suggests was to transpire for the Chiefs. The offensive line is still a major problem for the team, and it needs too much help in a lot of areas. From what I gather there is not that much difference between the players at this point in the draft where moving down a few spots to get another crack in the top 80 wouldn't be worth considering. Even at position 10 there is enough viable options for the Chiefs to fill the needs that they have.

According to Adam Schefter of the NFL network the Chiefs passed on an offer of the Saints first, second, and first next year for the fifth. Thank goodness the chiefs passed, as the Saints ended up with Ellis, but the Chiefs brass are idiots if they passed on that trade.

Saint Troy
04-26-2008, 02:13 PM
Saints only had to move their third rounder to move up and get Ellis, and they also got back a fifth. Shockey trade may still be on for the second rounder.

Pagal4321
04-26-2008, 02:14 PM
If that's true I can see why people want Peterson fired. That is a king's ransom for Dorsey, and I think the Saints ended up with the better DT.

If the Chiefs truly are in rebuilding mode two 1st's and a 2nd would have done MARVELS for them. Ultimately, I think they screwed the pooch on this one!!

How about the Jags, giving up alot to get Derrick Harvey!! Kinda makes the Allen trade look a bit better.

Sylvanfan
04-26-2008, 02:16 PM
Chiefs brass are idiots if they passed on that trade.

I don't think so....it's been proven for some time that the Chiefs brass is a bunch of idiots!

I don't follow college ball enough but there are those who claim Dorsey was the best player in the draft. But the Saints trade a 1st and 3rd to move up from 10 to 7 and get a 5th out of it too and draft Ellis who others say is pretty damn close to Dorsey.

So if the cost to go up 3 spots was only what it was, than I can't imagine the Saints offered that much to go up 5 places. If they did though, the Chiefs should have taken that deal.

Sainters7
04-26-2008, 02:21 PM
So if the cost to go up 3 spots was only what it was, than I can't imagine the Saints offered that much to go up 5 places. If they did though, the Chiefs should have taken that deal.

Adam Schefter said they did. Believe me, if he said it, its true. Thank God the Chiefs rejected that deal, I love the value on the Ellis pick!

btw and for the second year in a row, my NFL Network feed fizzles out the pick before the Saints make their selection. Un-******-believeable!!!!!!! :censored:

Saint Troy
04-26-2008, 02:23 PM
I don't think so....it's been proven for some time that the Chiefs brass is a bunch of idiots!

I don't follow college ball enough but there are those who claim Dorsey was the best player in the draft. But the Saints trade a 1st and 3rd to move up from 10 to 7 and get a 5th out of it too and draft Ellis who others say is pretty damn close to Dorsey.

So if the cost to go up 3 spots was only what it was, than I can't imagine the Saints offered that much to go up 5 places. If they did though, the Chiefs should have taken that deal.

I think Schefter has to be b.s.ing, because that would have been waaaaay too much to give up for Dorsey. I am thrilled we picked up Ellis and retained our second, I still don't understand the Chiefs not trading down.

Sylvanfan
04-26-2008, 02:50 PM
And now the Cheifs trade up! This time to get OG who projects to play as a tackle in Branden Albert. Sounds like he's some athlete, but that he'll have a bit of a learning process with a new position. Still getting an offensive lineman was something the Chiefs needed. I guess wait and see if the project guy here matches the tools he has.

Saint Troy
04-26-2008, 02:53 PM
And now the Cheifs trade up! This time to get OG who projects to play as a tackle in Branden Albert. Sounds like he's some athlete, but that he'll have a bit of a learning process with a new position. Still getting an offensive lineman was something the Chiefs needed. I guess wait and see if the project guy here matches the tools he has.

Big win for the Chiefs, Albert is better than Clady, fricken monster of a human being. Really smart using the gaggle of picks they have to move up, as you can't have 13 or so rookies making the team, or killing your cap.

Displaced Flames fan
04-26-2008, 05:22 PM
Chiefs central in here.

Great 2nd rounder IMO. Flowers is going to be a great corner.

Saint Troy
04-26-2008, 05:31 PM
Chiefs have done very well, Flowers is tough hombre for a corner, Saints add Porter out of Indiana at corner. Like the pick, guy can flat out run and has great hands, 6 picks on an average/bad defence.

Displaced Flames fan
04-26-2008, 05:31 PM
This draft is crazy. People off the board everywhere, and you can't criticize them either.

Fun stuff.

I wish we could get this kind of coverage for the NHL draft.

Displaced Flames fan
04-26-2008, 05:34 PM
I agree, Chiefs have done well.

I'm very happy with the Broncos first two picks. Wanted Clady, didn't think he'd be there...he's a perfect fit on Denver's OL. Royal addresses needs....depth at WR but more importantly a solid return guy which, frankly, the Broncos haven't had since Darien Gordon. That's been a while.

SteveToms
04-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Eagles have yet to go, they keep trading down

Edit: Took a DT.

transplant99
04-26-2008, 06:11 PM
Really surprised that the Packers went with a WR being they are as a deep a group as can be found in the NFL already. However, the guy they took is a great athlete and can flat out play.

They have to look at a CB sooner or later though as Woodson and Harris are a bit long in the tooth.

transplant99
04-26-2008, 06:27 PM
Unbelievable.

Simply SHOCKED that the Packers would draft a QB in the 2nd damn round. Ugh.

Gott suck to be Aaron rodgers right now.

Brohm could be a beauty and maybe will be a huge payoff...but holy smokes i am stunned.

Sainters7
04-26-2008, 06:54 PM
Not likin the Packers picks so far. IMO they had arguably the deepest group of WR's in the NFC. And although Aaron Rodgers is FAR from proven, he's still a first round pick from three years ago who looks promising. If anything, they needed a veteran backup(ie Culpepper) for him, not another blue chip youngster to compete with him. Weak sauce.

Displaced Flames fan
04-26-2008, 07:02 PM
Jordy Nelson is a stud.

John Clayton was saying there were more than a handful of teams hoping to 'steal' him in the second round.

Great pick Tranny.

Sylvanfan
04-26-2008, 07:03 PM
Wow, that is surprising that the Packers would take a QB that high in the draft. Although a few of the mock drafts I read claimed Brohm was the best QB to be had in this draft.

transplant99
04-26-2008, 07:34 PM
I guess the one way to look at it is this...

Rodgers is a 1st rd pick...OK, but that really doesnt mean anything at this point because no one knows how he will play as a starter. As well he has had some durability issues in the limited time he has played.

So now if he fails or gets injured, they have a pretty decent fall back plan in that Brohm played in a pro-style offense in Louisville and may be the most "ready right now" QB in this draft.

I mean lets look at the QB's in that division... Grossman in Chicago, Jackson in Minnesota and an aging Kitna in detroit. That alone means that even 'decent" QB play and you can win your division going away.

The more I think about this move the more I understand it and think it could pay off in spades. Already the youngest team in the NFL with a super receiving core, what looks to be a stud RB, and a defense that was very very good last year, the right QB and this team is among the elite once again..and possibly for a good long run.

the other thing about the Nelson pick Dis, is that Driver is now 34 years old and James Jones really faded during the 2nd half of the season...so there is room for him for sure. Koren Robinson is likely gonzo for sure now.


Nelson and Brohm are also really good fits for the West coast offense that McCarthy insists on using....which I agree with.

Justa side note...according to a GB insider, Ted Thompson admitted he tried to trade UP in the 2nd to get Brohm....so this was no knee jerk reaction to a player falling to them, it was a guy they wanted.

im pleased overall.

Displaced Flames fan
04-27-2008, 11:39 AM
The Chiefs have had a whale of a draft. Jamaal Charles in the 3rd round? Lots to like about him.

Saint Troy
04-27-2008, 11:59 AM
The Chiefs have had a whale of a draft. Jamaal Charles in the 3rd round? Lots to like about him.

You bet, Peterson just won back some time with the way this weekend went, nothing like a glimmer of hope for a bad team to give the fans something to look forward to.

transplant99
04-27-2008, 03:19 PM
Well...I have little idea what Thompson is thinking with some of todays picks.

Matt flynn? Not sure why he would go that direction unless he plans on starting the year with Rodgers and two rookies as his QB's...just makes no sense especially when you consider they offered Dante Culpepper a contract last week to be the back up/mentor for rodgers and Brohm. Just a strange strange selection IMO.

Also selecting ANOTHER WR in Swain from SDST....seriously who is he going to push out as the 5th receiver? THEN trading down yet again to another division rival (same way the Vikes ended up with JD Booty) and allow Detroit to pick Campbell from Army..a guy I thought they liked themselves.

Yikes what a strange last hour of the draft.

JayP
04-27-2008, 04:43 PM
The Chiefs have had a whale of a draft. Jamaal Charles in the 3rd round? Lots to like about him.

Really?

Charles seems like a questionable pick for the Chiefs.

They're going to be a bad team this year. It's hard to doubt that. The thing about Charles is that he'll likely never be your feature back. He's a home run, big play guy, but couldn't get tough yards between the tackles in college. He's the guy that would have 20 yards going into the 4th quarter, bust two big runs and end the day at 150 yards (and he did it several times last year). He's a pretty safe pick as a guy with his explosiveness will make plays, but he's a supplementary player.

He'd be a good pick for a team with a good, not great back that could use a different look for 8-10 plays a game. A team on the cusp of the playoffs that could turn into a playoff team with a couple of explosive runs.

The draft is funny - it's hilarious going all over the internet and reading fan reactions. The fact is that no one had a good draft yet. We'll have an idea by August and September, but most fans get caught in the rut of 'recognize the player + BCS school = future pro bowler'.

Sylvanfan
04-27-2008, 05:19 PM
Yeah, any team can hype how well they did at the draft today, but the proof shows in October and November. With their third round picks the Chiefs took a RB, TE and Safety. Which to me were the 3 positions in their organization which already had the best depth. But they did have a lot of draft picks so I guess they figured they could try a few of these home run swings and see which ones connect.

Displaced Flames fan
04-27-2008, 06:54 PM
Really?

Charles seems like a questionable pick for the Chiefs.

They're going to be a bad team this year. It's hard to doubt that. The thing about Charles is that he'll likely never be your feature back. He's a home run, big play guy, but couldn't get tough yards between the tackles in college. He's the guy that would have 20 yards going into the 4th quarter, bust two big runs and end the day at 150 yards (and he did it several times last year). He's a pretty safe pick as a guy with his explosiveness will make plays, but he's a supplementary player.

He'd be a good pick for a team with a good, not great back that could use a different look for 8-10 plays a game. A team on the cusp of the playoffs that could turn into a playoff team with a couple of explosive runs.

The draft is funny - it's hilarious going all over the internet and reading fan reactions. The fact is that no one had a good draft yet. We'll have an idea by August and September, but most fans get caught in the rut of 'recognize the player + BCS school = future pro bowler'.

Since they have Larry Johnson locked up I'm pretty sure that Charles wasn't drafted to be a tough between the tackles, every down back.

I think it's funny to read all the 'experts' takes on the draft. Makes me laugh.

I'll disagree with you though, the Minnesota Vikings had a great draft.

JayP
04-28-2008, 08:48 AM
Since they have Larry Johnson locked up I'm pretty sure that Charles wasn't drafted to be a tough between the tackles, every down back.

I think it's funny to read all the 'experts' takes on the draft. Makes me laugh.

I'll disagree with you though, the Minnesota Vikings had a great draft.

I know Charles won't be the every down back, but I think a rebuilding team should be looking to find a potential feature back. Especially with a 29 year old starting RB coming off an injury.

burn_baby_burn
04-28-2008, 09:15 AM
According to Adam Schefter of the NFL network the Chiefs passed on an offer of the Saints first, second, and first next year for the fifth. Thank goodness the chiefs passed, as the Saints ended up with Ellis, but the Chiefs brass are idiots if they passed on that trade.

That is what I was thinking. They could have gotten Clady and Alberts in the first. As well as adding a first rounder for next year? Unbelievable. If the rumour was true the Chiefs would have gotten more for giving up the 5th pick than they got for Jared Allen. Either the trade rumour wasn't true or Herm was too in love with Dorsey.

burn_baby_burn
04-28-2008, 09:24 AM
Yeah, any team can hype how well they did at the draft today, but the proof shows in October and November. With their third round picks the Chiefs took a RB, TE and Safety. Which to me were the 3 positions in their organization which already had the best depth. But they did have a lot of draft picks so I guess they figured they could try a few of these home run swings and see which ones connect.

I agree about safety and RB, but the Chiefs need a blocking TE to replace Jason Dunn. Cottam is pretty big like Dunn (277lbs) hopefully he can fill that hole plus catch well enough to take over for TG when he ultimatly retires or if his skills erode with age.

Bobblehead
04-28-2008, 01:26 PM
Every mock draft I have seen shows the 49ers taking DeSean Jackson out of CAL in the first round. I don't follow enough to comment, but I guess the 49ers want to give Alex Smith better weapons so they have a chance to finally decide if he can ever evolve into the player he showed.

Personally, I think the Niners need more help on the D-Line, but there are a number of holes to fill. If Joe Staley builds on his rookie year then amybe the O-line can hold up.

So the 49ers ended up passing on DeSean Jackson twice.

Rd.1 - Kentwan Balmer DE 6'5" 298 North Carolina
Rd.2 - Chilo Rachal OG 6'5" 315 Southern Cal

So they did start on the D-Line, then got another body for the O-line.

Good draft for the Niners, from a "had some needs and got players to have a chance to fill those needs" point of view. But I think it takes 3 years to fully judge a draft.

Flames in 07
04-29-2008, 05:46 AM
Calgarian Rolly Lumbala signs with the Dolphins as a UFA.

Clever_Iggy
04-29-2008, 07:35 AM
Calgarian Rolly Lumbala signs with the Dolphins as a UFA.

What a nice kid. I was hoping he was going to go somewhere via UFA.

Sounds like the Dolphins had been tracking him for awhile... hopefully he'll stick after mini-camp and see some special teams time or perhaps even at FB.

rubecube
04-29-2008, 11:50 AM
Man I love what the Eagles did. They get two players that many projected as first rounders in the second round (Laws and Jackson) and will have two first round picks next year. Love the Demps and Ikegwuonu picks as well. Eagles finally have someone who can return kicks. I think Desean and Westbrook are going to create matchup nightmares for defenses.

EDIT: Also got to give the Chiefs some props. That was a solid draft for them.

Flames in 07
04-29-2008, 10:23 PM
What a nice kid. I was hoping he was going to go somewhere via UFA.

Sounds like the Dolphins had been tracking him for awhile... hopefully he'll stick after mini-camp and see some special teams time or perhaps even at FB.

The wildcats and browns can be proud.

he has a nice parachute in the cfl if it doesn't work out, but he has always been able to move remarkably well in a large frame, if he can still move at 251 like he could at 220 ... that will certainly help for ST time.

Clever_Iggy
04-30-2008, 10:17 PM
The wildcats and browns can be proud.

he has a nice parachute in the cfl if it doesn't work out, but he has always been able to move remarkably well in a large frame, if he can still move at 251 like he could at 220 ... that will certainly help for ST time.

Rolly also got drafted by the BC Lions in the 2nd round (9th overall). Javier Glatt, a former Brown, is a stud MLB there. I hope he sticks in Miami in some capacity, but being a 9th overall pick in the CFL (which is lower because of his NFL prospects, IMO) is something he can be pretty proud of.

As for his mobility, I've been told that he still has good feet and his athletic skill might allow him to catch the odd ball and carry in the red zone.

Flames in 07
05-01-2008, 06:38 AM
Rolly also got drafted by the BC Lions in the 2nd round (9th overall). Javier Glatt, a former Brown, is a stud MLB there. I hope he sticks in Miami in some capacity, but being a 9th overall pick in the CFL (which is lower because of his NFL prospects, IMO) is something he can be pretty proud of.

As for his mobility, I've been told that he still has good feet and his athletic skill might allow him to catch the odd ball and carry in the red zone.

I think that makes for 3 browns in the CFL currently correct? BB still in Hamilton?