Sedins. The view from the Wet Coast.

[Flame On]

Apparently the Sedins thrive on the physical play and are dominant. So says Iain MacIntyre of Canwest news services. (http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/story.html?id=22db560b-d8d0-414b-bef2-05411188613f&k=33052)
Apparently Jarome sticked poor Daniel. Gee wish the whistle happy ref saw that.

When Calgary Flames captain Jarome Iginla fired a shot across the Canucks' bow by sticking Daniel Sedin three shifts into Saturday's game,

Then there's a lot of stuff about how the Sedin's thrive on the physical play and excell within it. Until this part which I found quite funny...

The Sedins didn't succeed Saturday on the scoresheet. They were blanked by the Flames despite spending many of their shifts in the Calgary end

Here's hoping they keep thriving like that.
Finally these gems:

Daniel and Henrik Sedin welcomed Calgary defenceman *Robyn Regehr taking runs at them, and goalie Miikka Kiprusoff **bopping them after the whistle and ***Iginla squawking at them all night like an angry crow. They liked everything but the score: A 3-2 loss that was just the Canucks' sixth in regulation time since Christmas.

*Taking runs at them? That'll be called checking, it's part of the game unfortunately.
**Bopping them? hmmm I guess maybe Kipper doesn't want them in his crease, crazy!
***squaking like an angry crow? I guess when you have a wet fish for a captain it's going to sound like that when you get an actual leader.

[SpitFire40]

Go Sharks Go!

[Pokerface]

Being at the game I would have to say the Sedin's do not thrive on physical play at all. Regher, Warrener and Stuart were making life very difficult for them in our end, and Iginla, Primeau, and so on were doing the same in both ends... I mean Mitchell had to fight Iginla for them! (I'd like to see Naslund stand up for his team like that) In all honesty I never saw them as a huge threat when they were on the ice. All their oppurtunities were thwarted by the Flames and our solid D, or they were forced to take shots from the outside.

[MelBridgeman]

What I found funny is the claim that AV uses four lines..I been here in VanCity for over a week now and all the talk on the radio shows is who is going to be the final 9 with icetime in the third period - Also I noticed the Sedins were double shifted during the first period in Saturdays game.

Anyways looks like this article was written out of fear - trying to put a positive spin on the coming disappearance act by Vancouver's only offensive threat.

Although the writer did predict in Sept that the canucks would challenge Calgary for the division, so i guess he starting to think what he writes comes true...

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[Mayer]

Being at the game I would have to say the Sedin's do not thrive on physical play at all. Regher, Warrener and Stuart were making life very difficult for them in our end, and Iginla, Primeau, and so on were doing the same in both ends... I mean Mitchell had to fight Iginla for them! (I'd like to see Naslund stand up for his team like that) In all honesty I never saw them as a huge threat when they were on the ice. All their oppurtunities were thwarted by the Flames and our solid D, or they were forced to take shots from the outside.

Do you honestly expect to see Naslund fight a guy? No, obviously not. And it's not because he's a "bad leader", that is simply not part of his game. Can you imagine Sakic fighting? Nope. I'm not comparing Sakic to Naslund as far as leadership goes obviously, but using that aspect of the game to compare Naslund and Iginla is ridiculous.

[old-fart]

The Sisters thriving on physical play? Um, don't think so. They were invisible most of the night. I remember thinking in the third period "did the sisters even dress tonight"?

If the refs don't allow goals that are pushed in with gloves, that games not even close.

[Mayer]

What I found funny is the claim that AV uses four lines..I been here in VanCity for over a week now and all the talk on the radio shows is who is going to be the final 9 with icetime in the third period - Also I noticed the Sedins were double shifted during the first period in Saturdays game.

Anyways looks like this article was written out of fear - trying to put a positive spin on the coming disappearance act by Vancouver's only offensive threat.

Although the writer did predict in Sept that the canucks would challenge Calgary for the division, so i guess he starting to think what he writes comes true...


Here's another line from the article...

But in their previous seven games, the twins combined for 27 points

So the Flames keep the Twins off the scoresheet for one game (a game that the Canucks didn't show up in for the first 2 periods) and you guys are writing them off as being ineffective?

[Bobblehead]

Do you honestly expect to see Naslund fight a guy? No, obviously not. And it's not because he's a "bad leader", that is simply not part of his game. Can you imagine Sakic fighting? Nope. I'm not comparing Sakic to Naslund as far as leadership goes obviously, but using that aspect of the game to compare Naslund and Iginla is ridiculous.

If it wasn't for the 'C' on him, I wouldn't even realize Naslund is the captain. When is the last time he ws able to take control of a game? Last season we heard lots about turmoil in the dressing room. So if he wasn't a leader in the room, and he isn't a leader on the ice, why does he have the 'C'. Heck, Linden is 3rd line player and he is still more of a captain than Naslund is.
Salo was just signed to a long extension, perhaps he should be considered for the 'C'?

[TheDragon]

So the Flames keep the Twins off the scoresheet for one game (a game that the Canucks didn't show up in for the first 2 periods) and you guys are writing them off as being ineffective?

The only one implying they're ineffective is you. I believe all that was stated in this thread so far was that Calgary's D were successful at shutting them down on Saturday night.

No mention of them being ineffective, though.

[Mayer]

If it wasn't for the 'C' on him, I wouldn't even realize Naslund is the captain. When is the last time he ws able to take control of a game? Last season we heard lots about turmoil in the dressing room. So if he wasn't a leader in the room, and he isn't a leader on the ice, why does he have the 'C'. Heck, Linden is 3rd line player and he is still more of a captain than Naslund is.
Salo was just signed to a long extension, perhaps he should be considered for the 'C'?

You're not going to get an argument out of me as far as Naslund not showing up this season. He's not the greatest example of it on the ice though, that much is agreed. I do think he has a voice and guys listen to him though. As for Salo, I'm not sure he's a good choice for Captain or not. I think I'd give it to Mitchell before I'd give it to Salo. But as long as Naslund is in a Canuck uni, he's the Captain. That shouldn't matter though because this team has a bunch of leaders, regardless of the letters on the jersey (Linden, Ohlund, Luongo etc etc).

That being said, the original problem I had with the statement was that Naslund should step up and fight someone to stick up for his team. That statement is still crazy.

[Mayer]

The only one implying they're ineffective is you. I believe all that was stated in this thread so far was that Calgary's D were successful at shutting them down on Saturday night.

No mention of them being ineffective, though.

Ok, fair enough. Looks like I jumped the gun a little bit there.

I'm sometimes a little sensitive after a loss, especially to the Flames.

:hmm:

[eddly]

Flames played an excellent game, they executed their game plan perfectly. They played physical and rattled the Canucks. They took advantage of the fact that the Canucks had some key defensemen out of the lineup, and made their defense look even worse when Mitchell was off for 5.

Great game, but... at the end of the day... this was just one game.

Just to be clear, I'm excited that the Flames have picked up their game. Their current winning streak couldn't have come at a better time. With the Flames on fire and having pretty much clinched a playoff spot, the chances of having a Canadian team win the Cup have improved significantly.

Now if only Toronto or Montreal could get in... I doubt we'll see both in...

[MelBridgeman]

Here's another line from the article...



So the Flames keep the Twins off the scoresheet for one game (a game that the Canucks didn't show up in for the first 2 periods) and you guys are writing them off as being ineffective?


wow thats 2 pts less than there combined playoff totals in 62 games....
they dont produce in the playoffs, they wont get the respect
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[calgARI]

Don't call them top tier players and complain about them getting targetted by other teams. If they are as good as he says and I actually think they are, then play through it, period. Iginla has had guys draped all over him for years and he never complains about it and we rarely use it as an excuse when he doesn't produce. Sedins should try the same thing.

[CsInMyBlood]

Great to see our Swede out class the big three Swedish Freewillians last game, there is no doubt about it.

Stupid puck punching Naslund and his diving twins couldn't touch the Huse.

[Bingo]

I'm kind of in the middle on this one, as much as I hate to admit it, the Sedins have turned out to be better players than I thought as I was on that "looks like they'll never be anything but average NHLers" bandwagon.

They play well in traffic, and they certainly don't run from contact like the two skill players in Detroit.

However, ... to suggest they are now blood thirsty warriors that eagerly anticipate the rough going? Come on.

[Blaster86]

So the Flames keep the Twins off the scoresheet for one game (a game that the Canucks didn't show up in for the first 2 periods) and you guys are writing them off as being ineffective?


Don't bother arguing with that guy. He is so bent on making the Canucks look bad he makes every molehill into a mountain.

[Monkey_Fracas]

Don't call them top tier players and complain about them getting targetted by other teams. If they are as good as he says and I actually think they are, then play through it, period. Iginla has had guys draped all over him for years and he never complains about it and we rarely use it as an excuse when he doesn't produce. Sedins should try the same thing.

I didn't know Sedin was Swedish for maul me.- Brian Burke =)

The Sedins get absolutley draped upon almost every game. They have never complained. Warrener is a classic example of a D that gets turned around by them and resorts to clinching and hugging them. They do play through it. Watch any Canuck game, and I guarantee that they will catch a less mobile defensman in the cycle who will resort to draping on them. I'm in no way using it as an excuse, but this wasn't a one game thing. The Sedins fight through it night in, night out.

[Monkey_Fracas]

However, ... to suggest they are now blood thirsty warriors that eagerly anticipate the rough going? Come on.

Bloodthirsty warriors they definately are not. They're obviously not going to drop the gloves or lay guys out, but they get swamped in the corners and behind the net yet still can break free and move the puck well enough to produce.

I'm with you that I never thought the Sedins had the strength/balance to thrive in the NHL. However, they have put on something like 10-15 pounds of muscle in a couple of offseasons and have dominated in the cycle ever since. There's a ridicoulous ceiling for these guys if they ever got a bonafide trigger-man to finish off their work along the boards and in the corners.

[Riles]

To give the Sedins credit, look at Anson Carter before, during and after his season in Vancouver.
Personally, I think they're tougher than people give them credit, but the article was kinda bogus in saying the Flames couldn't intimidate them or shut them down when they were shut down. Odd timing.
Maybe Regehr and Stuart deserve some credit after shutting down Gaborik and Demitra the games before - although Kiprusoff played a huge part in the first game of the two in Minnesota.
Funny, but it seemed this season the Sedins both either got two points in a game against Calgary or none and seemingly weren't even close.

[pepper24]

The sisters were absolutely invisible on Saturday. They are quite scared of physical play, and it's nice to see them whining. It shows that the Flames D-men are getting into their heads.

Agreed. The writer can whine about Regehr running them but that's his job and it worked on Sat night. Cooke runs guys, Regehr hits guys. Big difference and he should know better.

[CaptainCrunch]

Outside of the Sedin's there's a real lack of talent in the Vancouver forward group, and come the first round of the playoffs, the twins are going to play for that.

There's a reason why players stats drop in the playoffs, and on a team with only two legitimate scoring threats, its going to be easier for a teams top two defensemen to pound the twins into glue.

[Flame On]

I didn't know Sedin was Swedish for maul me.- Brian Burke =)

The Sedins get absolutley draped upon almost every game. They have never complained. Warrener is a classic example of a D that gets turned around by them and resorts to clinching and hugging them. They do play through it. Watch any Canuck game, and I guarantee that they will catch a less mobile defensman in the cycle who will resort to draping on them. I'm in no way using it as an excuse, but this wasn't a one game thing. The Sedins fight through it night in, night out.
Didn't see any classics on Saturday night though did we?

[fotze]

The sedins are like a pair of 85% Huseliuses on the ice at the same time.

[Flames09]

The sedins are like a pair of 85% Huseliuses on the ice at the same time.

WOW could you imagine 2 Juices on the ice? :w00t:

[WCE]

Outside of the Sedin's there's a real lack of talent in the Vancouver forward group, and come the first round of the playoffs, the twins are going to play for that.

There's a reason why players stats drop in the playoffs, and on a team with only two legitimate scoring threats, its going to be easier for a teams top two defensemen to pound the twins into glue.

I agree that there is more pressure and tighter play in the post season which results in scoring decreasing, but I always thought that goaltending was the biggest reason behind it. Goalies get to play the same team every night, learn tendancies, etc. I think that is probably the most important factor why we see save % jump a good 10 points in the second season. As for the Twins, they have been drawing top pairing all year, and for much of last year as well. Very good players find a way to produce regardless, and they have shown that they are very good.

[WCE]

The sisters were absolutely invisible on Saturday. They are quite scared of physical play, and it's nice to see them whining. It shows that the Flames D-men are getting into their heads.

Where did they whine?

[Ha Ha Stupid Oilers]

Do you honestly expect to see Naslund fight a guy? No, obviously not. And it's not because he's a "bad leader", that is simply not part of his game. Can you imagine Sakic fighting? Nope. I'm not comparing Sakic to Naslund as far as leadership goes obviously, but using that aspect of the game to compare Naslund and Iginla is ridiculous.

you're right
we expect Naslund to do nothing.

I'd love to have a low scoring, blank facial expressing, $6mil/year leader any day.
Maybe he could nudge a few pucks in the net or two with his glove

[henriksedin33]

The sisters were absolutely invisible on Saturday. They are quite scared of physical play, and it's nice to see them whining. It shows that the Flames D-men are getting into their heads.


Invisible? Daniel had 6 shots....

They're scared of physical play? Thats a good one. You have no idea what you're talking about.:hehehe:
Care to show me where either of them were whining?

[Flame On]

I agree that there is more pressure and tighter play in the post season which results in scoring decreasing, but I always thought that goaltending was the biggest reason behind it. Goalies get to play the same team every night, learn tendancies, etc. I think that is probably the most important factor why we see save % jump a good 10 points in the second season. As for the Twins, they have been drawing top pairing all year, and for much of last year as well. Very good players find a way to produce regardless, and they have shown that they are very good.
No arguement, they have proved their worth and skill. It just seems like the piece tried to portray them as gritty now. Then going on to say how they got one of their team mates to stick up for them when they were being picked on, and also were kept off the score sheet when presented with the kind attention we're told they can handle. Just thought that was funny.

[SpitFire40]

They're good in the corners handling the puck but are about as gritty as Pavel Datsyuk..

[henriksedin33]

[font=Arial][size=2]What I found funny is the claim that AV uses four lines..I been here in VanCity for over a week now and all the talk on the radio shows is who is going to be the final 9 with icetime in the third period - Also I noticed the Sedins were double shifted during the first period in Saturdays game.


I'm not sure why that's funny....they've been playing 4 lines pretty much all year, probably more than any year in recent memory. Yeah Vigneault has RECENTLY seemed to cut down his roster a bit in the 3rd, he goes by whoever is playing well on that particular night. Seems like smart coaching to me.
Its not like the Sedins are being overplayed, as the article said, they're ridiculously low for icetime among NHL forwards.

[moon]

I didn't know Sedin was Swedish for maul me.- Brian Burke =)

The Sedins get absolutley draped upon almost every game. They have never complained. Warrener is a classic example of a D that gets turned around by them and resorts to clinching and hugging them. They do play through it. Watch any Canuck game, and I guarantee that they will catch a less mobile defensman in the cycle who will resort to draping on them. I'm in no way using it as an excuse, but this wasn't a one game thing. The Sedins fight through it night in, night out.

So does every top line player in the league.

It seems that this is brought up so many times when discussing the Twins, as though they are the only players in the league that are covered defensviely while the other top guys are playing against scrubs and not touched at all by the opposition.

[Bingo]

I didn't know Sedin was Swedish for maul me.- Brian Burke =)

The Sedins get absolutley draped upon almost every game. They have never complained. Warrener is a classic example of a D that gets turned around by them and resorts to clinching and hugging them. They do play through it. Watch any Canuck game, and I guarantee that they will catch a less mobile defensman in the cycle who will resort to draping on them. I'm in no way using it as an excuse, but this wasn't a one game thing. The Sedins fight through it night in, night out.

You don't honestly think that the Canucks possess the only two skilled forwards in the league that have to fight through the old clutch and grab do you?

I would think any team with slippery players gets the same treatment ... Huselius and Tanguay in Calgary, Hemsky in Edmonton, and on and on and on.

We've seen Bieksa actually sit on players this season doing the same thing.

[HPLovecraft]

Take away the cross crease pass and you take away half of their damn points.

[Blaster86]

Take away the cross crease pass and you take away half of their damn points.

I am pretty sure teams try...

[SebC]

I am pretty sure teams try...For most of the season, Calgary didn't. At least not on the PK. Drove me nuts.

[EN FUEGO]

I respect the way the Sedin's play, but I don't see either of them as being dangerous like a Datsyuk or a Selanne. The two of them together perhaps, but then there's only room for one other hoser on the line. In a 7 game series of beatings like they took on Saturday, with some good flames defensive coaching adjustments:eek:......bring on the Canucks.

Anaheim then Vancouver

[North East Goon]

I liken the Sedin's toughness similiar to a Ryan Smyth. They are not going to physically overwhelm anyone, but are able to take a beating along the boards and in front of the net. When they start cycling it is no doubt scary.

[Textcritic]

I agree that there is more pressure and tighter play in the post season which results in scoring decreasing, but I always thought that goaltending was the biggest reason behind it. Goalies get to play the same team every night, learn tendancies, etc. I think that is probably the most important factor why we see save % jump a good 10 points in the second season.
This sounds eerily similar to sentiments in these parts regarding the FLames last year. It was widely assumed that a great goalie could in fact carry the team on his back all the way to the Stanley Cup. Sadly, without much of a supporting cast, goalies who play as much as Kiprusoff and Luongo during the regular season are much more proone to burnout in April. Brodeur is a freak of nature, but I would bet that generally speaking, without any sort of secondary scoring threats, the Canucks are a prime candidate to run the tank dry early in the playoffs.

As for the Twins, they have been drawing top pairing all year, and for much of last year as well. Very good players find a way to produce regardless, and they have shown that they are very good.
It is interesting that you make a point of the improved play of goalies in the playoffs, yet you seem to suggest that whatever the Sedins will face in the second season will be nothing that they have not endured all season. Simply wrong. The twins will be entering the playoffs as top line players for the first time in their career. Yes, they have faced top pairings all season, but never have they had to deal with the opposition's very best defensemen wanting nothing less than to put them THROUGH the ice and the boards every single shift. Every top player undergoes the same initiation; some thrive (Iginla), and some wilt (Datsyuk). How will the Sedins fare?

[Daradon]

The twins have become much better players than I, or a lot of people thought they would have.

But are they a scoring duo like Sakic and Forsberg, of course not. An Yzerman Federov? No. Even an Iggy Tanguay. Wrong again.

They are a great pair, maybe even solid number one line, but a bonafide superstar line? No way. To suggest they bring hard hitting hockey is to further cloud the decision.

They are great at moving round the net, they are eerie at getting open and getting the puck to each other. Their even decent both ways. But neither their stats, nor their play signifies an unstoppable or even fearful duo yet.

Maybe one day soon, they are getting better by the day and I don't doubt their abilities now. But powerhouse forwards? No, not yet.

[Mayer]

To suggest they bring hard hitting hockey is to further cloud the decision.


I don't think anyone is saying that they bring hard hitting hockey. Like a poster said a few posts earlier...

They are not going to physically overwhelm anyone, but are able to take a beating along the boards and in front of the net

The Sedins do play well in a rough game. When have you ever seen a Sedin layed out real good with a hit? Not often, in fact I can't remember one off the top of my head. Not only can they handle the rough stuff, they are so smart that they never put themself in a position to get leveled.

These are 2 players who will finish (very likely) over a point/game pace. Are they superstars? No, you're probably right there. But I wouldn't call Tanguay a superstar either. I see the Sedins at the very least on par with him.

I can't wait for the day when Nonis can find an actual scoring winger to play with them. While a lot of Canuck fans have a hard on for Pyatt, I don't see him as a long-term solution for that line.

[CaptainCrunch]

I was actually surprised that I liked what Kypreos had to say last night.

Basically the Canucks lack of powerplay is going to hurt the Canucks and the Sedin's badly, because teams tend to play with a little less fear against teams with poor powerplays in the playoffs, and they go out of thier way to take liberties against those star players because they're not worried about the powerplay.

The Sedin's have never gone into the playoffs as the "it" guys on a team, so they're going to be in for a much more physical and rough ride.

I expect to hear Dave Nonis making a Burke like speech two games into the playoffs.

[WCE]

This sounds eerily similar to sentiments in these parts regarding the FLames last year. It was widely assumed that a great goalie could in fact carry the team on his back all the way to the Stanley Cup. Sadly, without much of a supporting cast, goalies who play as much as Kiprusoff and Luongo during the regular season are much more proone to burnout in April. Brodeur is a freak of nature, but I would bet that generally speaking, without any sort of secondary scoring threats, the Canucks are a prime candidate to run the tank dry early in the playoffs.

I wasn't really making any indirect references to the Canucks or any other team for that matter when I made my comments.

CC made a post alluding to the 'grind' of the playoffs as the source of decreased scoring during that period. I agreed that it has something to do with it, but that the goalies play an even bigger role in the way that they get a book on teams, making it tougher to beat them. We see save % jump significantly.

As for the comment about the canucks, I agree. Luongo needs to have players around him playing well to win a series. When healthy the Canucks do have a great defensive core (one of the best in the league, probably 4th or 5th), and have had just enough scoring to win most nights.

Will that trend carry through to the playoffs? Not really sure, anything can happen.


It is interesting that you make a point of the improved play of goalies in the playoffs, yet you seem to suggest that whatever the Sedins will face in the second season will be nothing that they have not endured all season. Simply wrong. The twins will be entering the playoffs as top line players for the first time in their career. Yes, they have faced top pairings all season, but never have they had to deal with the opposition's very best defensemen wanting nothing less than to put them THROUGH the ice and the boards every single shift. Every top player undergoes the same initiation; some thrive (Iginla), and some wilt (Datsyuk). How will the Sedins fare?
Well, I can't really say what the Twins will do 5 games from now. They have played very well for most of the year against top pairings, and they did the same last year.

D-men try and take runs at them all the time, but I will say that they are very good at spinning off of checks and not putting themselves into bad spots.

Will they get clamped down on in the playoffs? Maybe. They always talk about that they love to have increased responsibilities, so they will get what they asked for in spaids come April 11th.

One of the interesting storylines to watch, no doubt.

[WCE]

The Sedin's have never gone into the playoffs as the "it" guys on a team, so they're going to be in for a much more physical and rough ride.


I see certain d-men on a nightly basis go out of their way to take runs at them, and usually they make those types of d-men pay the price by creating grade A chances.

Interestingly enough, position d-men seem to have the best beat on how to stop them.

Timmonen in Nashville is the best I have seen in the league when it comes to this. He is either on them at the second they recieve the pass to take away their time, or he plays completely off them and takes away the pass.

I haven't seen another guy break up so many plays or intercept so many passes the last few years.

On another front, guys like who McLaren go out of their way to give an extra whack usually end up giving up good scoring chances.

[Flame On]

D-men try and take runs at them all the time, but I will say that they are very good at spinning off of checks and not putting themselves into bad spots.

I guess I don't like the term "taking a run". To me it implies the D they're going up against are doing something slightly borderline. Like charging or hitting them from behind. To me it's just checking. Sure Robyn; and me for that matter, would like to see them put through the boards, but they aren't doing anything more than what they would and should, be doing all season. It's just more intense.
Am I being overly sensetive to semantics, or is there a view that this sort of attention on the Sedins is somehow not fully above board? That's the impression I'm getting slightly from Nuck fans.

[WCE]

I guess I don't like the term "taking a run". To me it implies the D they're going up against are doing something slightly borderline. Like charging or hitting them from behind. To me it's just checking Sure Robyn; and me for that matter, would like to see them put through the boards, but they're aren't doing anything more than what they would and should, be doing all season. It's just more intense.
Am I being overly sensative to semantics, or is there a view that this sort of attention on the Sedins is somehow not fully above board? That's the impression I'm getting slightly from Nuck fans.

Not at all.

It was to do with the type of game the Twins play. Often you will see one of them below the halfboards along the wall with the puck. They move it back and forth along there, and a lot of times they will end up being stationary with the puck.

When this happens, d-men either take away their angles and try and force a play, or they charge (skate?) at them to lay out the body.

Because of the way that they get players running around, often players will have to make the extra stride to lay the body. Or will to a compelete stop/start, then make their way over for the check.

They create those "Oh !" moments when guys realize that no one is on them so they bullrush them at the halfwall.

That is what I meant by "run".

Not trying to make them martyrs.

[TowelPower]

The sedins do not play physical hockey. THey play good positional board hockey. They are probably two of the best in the game at cycling and creating chances out of the corners or behind the net.

The sedins were invisible the last game but in the previosu games I believe they had 7 goals and 27 points between them in about 10 previous games.

Hey if teams think the way some of you think, then they are in for a big surprise with the twins. They thrive in pressure situations (most games) players are allowed to have games off. NOTE iginlas basically non existance against the Canucks this year.

They're soo good positionally and such smart hockey players, that they can get around the hitting. Usually when a player goes out of his way to make a hard hit on them, henrik usually takes makes an absolutely insane pass to daniel or pyatt then takes the hit and moves on with a goal.

And to the person who said the sedins whine about the physical play? What the hell are you talking about. The sedins are pretty much the most humble, honest hockey players there are.

They admit they were bad after games and usually the next game dominate. Look for a pile of points from them tonight.

[MelBridgeman]

The sedins do not play physical hockey. THey play good positional board hockey. They are probably two of the best in the game at cycling and creating chances out of the corners or behind the net.

The sedins were invisible the last game but in the previosu games I believe they had 7 goals and 27 points between them in about 10 previous games.

Hey if teams think the way some of you think, then they are in for a big surprise with the twins. They thrive in pressure situations (most games) players are allowed to have games off. NOTE iginlas basically non existance against the Canucks this year.

They're soo good positionally and such smart hockey players, that they can get around the hitting. Usually when a player goes out of his way to make a hard hit on them, henrik usually takes makes an absolutely insane pass to daniel or pyatt then takes the hit and moves on with a goal.

And to the person who said the sedins whine about the physical play? What the hell are you talking about. The sedins are pretty much the most humble, honest hockey players there are.

They admit they were bad after games and usually the next game dominate. Look for a pile of points from them tonight.


your right iginla and his 9 pts against the canucks equals INVISIBLE, which is the same amount that Henrik has and 2 less than Daniel has (but im sure the Sedins has more PP time to work with).

Yes lets see the Sedins light it up against the Kings, quite the feat and Vancouver should be proud.....I think the sedins have 50% of their points against Edmonton and Colorado those defensive powerhouses.
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[TowelPower]

your right iginla and his 9 pts against the canucks equals INVISIBLE, which is the same amount that Henrik has and 2 less than Daniel has (but im sure the Sedins has more PP time to work with).

Yes lets see the Sedins light it up against the Kings, quite the feat and Vancouver should be proud.....I think the sedins have 50% of their points against Edmonton and Colorado those defensive powerhouses.

I believe Iginla has only 1 goal.. maybe 2 against the Canucks this year. They both came when the canucks were playing terrible hockey. Since christmas the CAnucks have shut down iginla to basically nothing but a couple of second assists.

And you're right.. lets de legitimize all players points against crappy teams... makes sense... how many points does iginla have tanguay etc.

Give me a break. What a joke of an argument.

Daniel has 84 points henrik has 70 assists. You don't get those numbers by being average hockey players.

[JeremyH]

The Sedin's aren't bonafide first line players? Last time I checked theres only one player on the Flames with more points than either of them. So you guys only have one in Iginla? They are in the top ---25-- in scoring in the entire league. They are definetly top line players. Ilya Kovalchuck, ever heard of him? He's got less points than them, Paul Kariya, Brian Rolston, Eric Staal? Sedin's have more points than them. Now I know points don't necessarily make you a good player, maybe just good linemates, but cmon...

They are also arguebly the best 4 on 4 players in the league. When they killed penalties they where amazing, the magic they could work shorthanded, and they often match up against the top line of other teams, just because they have such good puck control. There is a reason they during the last minute of the game lately.

To say the Sedin's are not not top line players is like saying apple's don' grow on trees. It just isn't true.

As far as them being physical, they can handle all the dirty places and win most of the battles. They can take all the hits that are thrown at them and shrug them off like nothing. Try knocking them off their skates, it doesn't often happen. So they don't throw hits, thats one knock on them. It is just not how they play.

[MelBridgeman]

I believe Iginla has only 1 goal.. maybe 2 against the Canucks this year. They both came when the canucks were playing terrible hockey. Since christmas the CAnucks have shut down iginla to basically nothing but a couple of second assists.

And you're right.. lets de legitimize all players points against crappy teams... makes sense... how many points does iginla have tanguay etc.

Give me a break. What a joke of an argument.

Daniel has 84 points henrik has 70 assists. You don't get those numbers by being average hockey players.

Your right you dont, except if you are two average players who are twins and play with each other all these years.

Can the Sedins still put up points playing with other players besides each other - like every other Top Tier player in this league as to do.
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[Mayer]

Your right you dont, except if you are two average players who are twins and play with each other all these years.

Can the Sedins still put up points playing with other players besides each other - like every other Top Tier player in this league as to do.

Thats still a terrible argument. It's been done before on this board and it was no better back then.

They are 2 players, both of which will finish the season above a point/game pace. They are top line NHL players, not average by any means. Look past your hate for the Canucks and be realistic.

[HelloHockeyFans]

I absolutely despise the Canucks.

But the Sedins are very good hockey players. Extremely smart along the boards and damn good hockey sense.

[MelBridgeman]

Thats still a terrible argument. It's been done before on this board and it was no better back then.

They are 2 players, both of which will finish the season above a point/game pace. They are top line NHL players, not average by any means. Look past your hate for the Canucks and be realistic.


How is it a terrible argument, when it has yet to be proven wrong.
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[Mayer]

How is it a terrible argument, when it has yet to be proven wrong.

When has it been proven right? You can't say the Sedins would be bad hockey players playing with other linemates until they do. Until that happens (which is unlikely), they are top line NHL players. That is why it's a terrible argument.

[lifer]

Thats still a terrible argument. It's been done before on this board and it was no better back then.

They are 2 players, both of which will finish the season above a point/game pace. They are top line NHL players, not average by any means. Look past your hate for the Canucks and be realistic.

It's not a terrible argument. There is no doubt in my mind that they would not be as successful if they weren't playing with each other. They would both still be good, but I doubt you'd see them getting 80-90 point seasons. Look past your love for the Canucks and you won't disagree.

[Mayer]

It's not a terrible argument. There is no doubt in my mind that they would not be as successful if they weren't playing with each other. They would both still be good, but I doubt you'd see them getting 80-90 point seasons. Look past your love for the Canucks and you won't disagree.

Actually, I will. I'm noy denying that they play well together, but a huge part of what makes them succesful is their strong cycling game and how strong they are along the boards. That is an individual skill. They'd still be very good players playing with different people.

Edit: And how is there no doubt in your mind? Have you seen them play seperate?

[MelBridgeman]

When has it been proven right? You can't say the Sedins would be bad hockey players playing with other linemates until they do. Until that happens (which is unlikely), they are top line NHL players. That is why it's a terrible argument.

It hasnt, your right, but it doesn take a rocket scientist to see what makes them successful - and it also doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that if they are split up some of the things (like being twins and the chemistry they have together) that make them successfull wouldnt apply.
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[MelBridgeman]

Actually, I will. I'm noy denying that they play well together, but a huge part of what makes them succesful is their strong cycling game and how strong they are along the boards. That is an individual skill. They'd still be very good players playing with different people.

Edit: And how is there no doubt in your mind? Have you seen them play seperate?


bah bah cycling an individual skill, ok i would love to see a one man cycling contest in the skills competition.
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[lifer]

You can cycle in the corner by yourself all day long and it won't make you anything other than good at cycling. They work as a 2 man unit and they do it very well. I agree with you that they would still be good players, but if anybody thinks they would put up as good of numbers as they do now, they would be mistaken.

[CsInMyBlood]

The Sedin's are good hockey players, no doubt in my mind.

I would still take Iginla and Tanguay, or Langkow and Huselius over them, but that's cause I hate ponies.

Mel's argument on splitting them up is fairly valid, but I sure don't see it ever happening unless one of them gets injured.

[Mayer]

You can cycle in the corner by yourself all day long and it won't make you anything other than good at cycling. They work as a 2 man unit and they do it very well. I agree with you that they would still be good players, but if anybody thinks they would put up as good of numbers as they do now, they would be mistaken.

So are you saying that the Sedins are the only players in the league who know how to cycle? I'm saying that is part of what makes them so good, as individuals.

I remember a couple years ago when Daniel was injured a few games, Henrik played between Naslund and Bertuzzi while Morrison was moved down a line. They played very well together, and IIRC, Henrik had over a point a game pace during his time with those 2. I'll see if I can find a link to back that up, but I think the fact that they are twins is somewhat overrated by media and fans alike.

[Mayer]

You can cycle in the corner by yourself all day long and it won't make you anything other than good at cycling. They work as a 2 man unit and they do it very well. I agree with you that they would still be good players, but if anybody thinks they would put up as good of numbers as they do now, they would be mistaken.

In your opinion. For one, we'll probably never know, but skilled players can usually play and put up points with anyone. It's my opinion that they would still be top line players in the event they were split up.

[lifer]

Yeah...do you think I'm saying only the Sedins know how to cycle? or are you just trying to be annoying? I'm sure everybody who notices that Hammer makes Phaneuf play better thinks that Roman is the only guy in the league capable of playing wit Phaneuf?
Cycling is not done the same by all players. All styles have intricacies to them that make them unique. The Sedins have played with each other for 20 years, so I think they're pretty familiar with one another's habits. That makes them better prepared to play with one another than they would be to play with another guy.

Yes they would be top line players still, but chemistry counts for a lot (ask naslund and morrisson) and nobody in the league has the chemistry that the twins have together. I'm not denying that they would still put up points, but I'd wager it would be less, and I think most people outside of Vancouver would agree.

[serge2k]

Daniel Sedin with Marc Savard.

How do you think that would work?

[lifer]

I think it would be successful, but maybe not as successful as playing with Henrik. Savard is a great playmaker and Daniel is a very good finisher, but they wouldn't have the same magic as the twins do together (obviously this is just speculation). I think that the only way either of the Sedins can match the production that they are capable of together is if they are playing with a player who is more skilled than their twin counterpart. I believe that is the only way that they could make up for the lost familiarity and chemistry they have with one another.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Well, for tonight only, here's to hoping the Sedins light it up, put in a cycling and goal-scoring clinic, get 5 points each and beat down the Avs.

Then they can go to hell. :D

[Azure]

10 points each...cause those damn Avs will score at least 5 goals.