View Full Version : Florida Panthers waives Tarnstrom, Dick (D)
KevanGuy
01-02-2007, 10:43 PM
48 hours
CMPunk
01-03-2007, 12:35 AM
48 hours
So if he clears waivers, does he goto the farm or does he stay on the big team? You know that one way contract and all...
Flickered Flame
01-03-2007, 12:35 AM
I believe he goes down but his entire contract goes against the ahl cap.
CMPunk
01-03-2007, 12:40 AM
Hmmm a bold move and one liable to get him fined what little cap space he has
KevanGuy
01-03-2007, 12:41 AM
I believe he goes down but his entire contract goes against the ahl cap.
No, he goes down but his salary still comes off his CPHL salary.
Flickered Flame
01-03-2007, 12:42 AM
No, he goes down but his salary still comes off his CPHL salary.
Thanks for clearing that up.
CMPunk
01-03-2007, 12:42 AM
No, he goes down but his salary still comes off his CPHL salary.
So he still counts against the CPHL Cap?
KevanGuy
01-03-2007, 12:43 AM
Yeah, Im pretty sure thats how we did it before...about 90% sure.
CMPunk
01-03-2007, 01:03 AM
I thought when I had Stoll in the minors, I was told to either keep him up or trade him. But then we don't normally have players on one way contracts trying to be sent down
10% of his salary comes off the cap. It equals about 500K.
notoepik
01-03-2007, 08:56 AM
10% of his salary comes off the cap. It equals about 500K.
Not on a one way contract, what would be the point of a one way contract if you treat it like a 2 way contract?
droopydrew19
01-03-2007, 09:02 AM
I would think this is just like the Mogilny case in the NHL last season. Making millions on the farm.
Not on a one way contract, what would be the point of a one way contract if you treat it like a 2 way contract?
Simple Math.
Dick still makes $4.76mill on the farm and to buy him out it is 10% of that. His contract doesn't get reduced to I have to buy him out at the higher pricetag.
He still makes $4.76mill on the farm so to buy him out at 10% it is 476K.
Normaly he would make $0.476 on the farm and his buyout would be $47,600. See the difference?
I have to pay more ($476K) to buy him out becuase he is on a 1-Way deal.
Sylvanfan
01-03-2007, 09:18 AM
Hmm....interesting loophole in the rules if true. I thought he'd go to the AHL and that his AHL salary would be 4.76 million basically putting the the Panthers AHL team over cap, and that the buyout rules would still be the same because the contract is still worth 4.76 million for two more years.
It doesnt matter, I am confident I can work something out with Martin, the agent that represents him. I would love to see Dick remain a Panthers and possibly become an assistant captian!
notoepik
01-03-2007, 09:28 AM
Releasing Players (Buyouts)
If a player is released (Bought out) before his contract has ended, the team releasing him is required to pay a portion of the player's salary. Any player bought out by his team will re-enter the UFA market for all teams to bid on. The percentage a team is required to pay: 1 million and under--30%; 2 million and under--40%; 3 million and under--50%; 4 million and under--60%; 6 million and under--70%; 8 million and under--80%; over 8 million--85%. All numbers are rounded up to the nearest $100k.
All buy-outs are counted against the CPHL salary cap. If a player is in the AHL the percentage will be calculated on the AHL salary and counted against the CPHL cap.
Sounds to me like you have to take off a lot more than 10% just doing the simple math.
Don't worry your little heads, TONS of options here.
Worry about them Hawks!
notoepik
01-03-2007, 09:33 AM
Don't worry your little heads, TONS of options here.
Worry about them Hawks!
Looks like the options are getting slimmer all the time. :whistle:
Looks like the options are getting slimmer all the time. :whistle:
Agents please take note. I am willing to work with Dick to see him remain a Panther (unlike Becky and how she treats her players). Best case is that he gets picked up and then someone has to pay his entire salary. If he does clear I am willing to work on a new deal to see him become the NEW assistant captian of the Mighty Florida Panthers.
I like Dick...:D:bag:
notoepik
01-03-2007, 09:42 AM
Agents please take note. I am willing to work with Dick to see him remain a Panther (unlike Becky and how she treats her players). Best case is that he gets picked up and then someone has to pay his entire salary. If he does clear I am willing to work on a new deal to see him become the NEW assistant captian of the Mighty Florida Panthers.
But that would mean reducing his salary, something Martin has clearly stated would not happen.
I like Dick...:D:bag:
Apparently you just want to screw around with Dick. Poor guy, making him ass. captain should make things all better when you want to take away his livelyhood and ability to feed his dog!?
You keep on hoping someone is nutty enough to pick him up and sweep your worries under the carpet :blink:
Sylvanfan
01-03-2007, 10:24 AM
Theres no doubt that this situation involves a lot of dick and ass. Maybe Dick Assman will make a celebrity appearance at the next Panthers game.
Hesla
01-03-2007, 10:39 AM
CAps have replaced Tarnstrom... with another Euro player... Suchy
KevanGuy
01-03-2007, 11:34 AM
Looks like the options are getting slimmer all the time. :whistle:
Heh, no kidding,
And Im not sure why Tarnstrom would take a pay decrease to be a part of the Panthers. Players mid-contract would never do something like that especially when they are recently traded. Im not sure why it is up to the player to bail out the GM by taking less money (if he clears waivers).
Mccree
01-03-2007, 12:11 PM
The Panthers have contacted me but no plans have been made and we are looking at all options. As agents we have to look out for what is best for our player (money wise and to play) THat being said He does have 2 years left (I beleive) so this is a unique situation that I am sure Dave and I can work out. Perhaps we need (in the future) a no release clause (like a NTC) for players like Dick so that he can remain in the CPHL wihout fear or redoing a contract only to have him released the next day???
KevanGuy
01-03-2007, 12:19 PM
Perhaps we need (in the future) a no release clause (like a NTC) for players like Dick so that he can remain in the CPHL wihout fear or redoing a contract only to have him released the next day???
I dont know, the simple solution there is for agents to not renegotiate contracts for players who have more then 1 year left at thier ridiculous salary.
Beerfund
01-03-2007, 12:20 PM
Looks like the sun got a little hot in Florida during the holiday break. Rules misinterpreted twice in a very short period of time. Did someone replace MJK with a newbie that hasn't passed the test?
Mccree
01-03-2007, 12:54 PM
I dont know, the simple solution there is for agents to not renegotiate contracts for players who have more then 1 year left at thier ridiculous salary.
That is an option too and one I am considering but to not consider renogitiation of a contract is not fair to the GM nor my player if he is going to be released.
My fear thou is that if I do re-do his contract then he wll get realeased later. IF that happens I will ****ED (and that applies to ANYTEAM that acquires him in trade) Hence my suggestion for the no release clause. Give and take .
Sylvanfan
01-03-2007, 01:07 PM
If I was the agent, I would first do the calculation to see how much the buyout is going to be worth. Dick is still owed 9.5 million and buyout should be 70% of that so the buyout should still come to like 6.8 million or so. So really no point in doing a 3 year deal for like 2.5 million because he'd get 5 in the buyout, and I'm sure someone would resign him as a UFA for a million.
I dont know, the simple solution there is for agents to not renegotiate contracts for players who have more then 1 year left at thier ridiculous salary.
What is better for Martin?
Have his player bought out only to make NOTHING.
OR
Renegotiate his contract at a reasonable salary to have him still in the CPHL?
Seems simple enough to me.
Looks like the sun got a little hot in Florida during the holiday break. Rules misinterpreted twice in a very short period of time. Did someone replace MJK with a newbie that hasn't passed the test?
Two? As in where you are in the standings behind me?
You making up things again?
sasketoon66
01-03-2007, 01:22 PM
Yeah Panthers really takes care of his players, welcome to the team Dick, you're now on waivers!
Sylvanfan
01-03-2007, 01:23 PM
What is better for Martin?
Have his player bought out only to make NOTHING.
OR
Renegotiate his contract at a reasonable salary to have him still in the CPHL?
Seems simple enough to me.
If his buyout is going to pay him 7 million. Yeah, take the buyout rather than reneg for a 3 year deal for less money. Dick can invest the up front money now and make interest on it rather than take it over term. Plus no guarantee you won't buy him out when the season ends either.
No guarentee I buy him out anyways!
IF he clears I can always call him back up. Sheesh, you guys are crazy.
TONS OF OPTIONS! WATCH AND LEARN.
Sylvanfan
01-03-2007, 01:32 PM
Well like I said earlier with Malek on IR you'll have some time to try something. Somewhere you'll break some sucker down and they'll take your Dick for you....Ha!
Well like I said earlier with Malek on IR you'll have some time to try something. Somewhere you'll break some sucker down and they'll take your Dick for you....Ha!
You got it!
:cool:
Oh let me add by saying that I would NEVER redo a contract only to burn the Agent and buy him out the next day.
You all have my WORD on that and when it comes to agents, I would like to think my word is as good as gold!
Spike...wanna back me up here bud?
Sylvanfan
01-03-2007, 02:28 PM
My word is as solid as wood! Jerry Mcguire fell for that one. ha ha
CMPunk
01-03-2007, 02:30 PM
He's been good about keeping his word to me. Sadly I don't see a winner in this situation and this is going to cause more headaches for everyone then it's worth. Basically if you're not willing to take on the salary...don't trade for the player!!! I'm not sure how much simpler it can be. And to all you other GM's out there...if a gm screws up with a contract, quite lineing up to bail him out by trading for that player. You guys control the salaries as much as we do...so if you see a GM make a huge mistake, then let him learn from it by keeping the player...it's the only way some of these people will learn...with tough love
Ideally I would like to hold onto Dick for three whole years, making him a CPHL legend in the process!
Mccree
01-03-2007, 03:13 PM
He's been good about keeping his word to me. Sadly I don't see a winner in this situation and this is going to cause more headaches for everyone then it's worth. Basically if you're not willing to take on the salary...don't trade for the player!!! I'm not sure how much simpler it can be. And to all you other GM's out there...if a gm screws up with a contract, quite lineing up to bail him out by trading for that player. You guys control the salaries as much as we do...so if you see a GM make a huge mistake, then let him learn from it by keeping the player...it's the only way some of these people will learn...with tough love
But MJK took a risk on a player and is hoping to find a solution here. THe Panthers sucked unitl Dave took over and moves like this show what risk taking can do. Panthers are a solid team now.
I have not made up my mind on a solution here. Time will tell I guess.
On a side note GM's always ask the agents not only consider money but "other" factors when deciding a players fate. Situation like this make it possible to do such things. Plus I think it is more fun for agents this way.
Re rates murdered Dick's value in this league. Special circumstances call for sometimes special measures.
I am confident a solution is available and like I have said before, tons of options here folks!
Mango
01-03-2007, 03:20 PM
Ideally I would like to hold onto Dick for three whole years, making him a CPHL legend in the process!
A CPHL legend? I think not, Dave. That honor belongs to Roman Cechmanek with Bob Reichel a close second ;)
Naw, THE Brain Holzinger is a pretty big legend, but The Big Dick (as he will now be refered to as) will put even him to shame!
Beerfund
01-03-2007, 04:07 PM
Two? As in where you are in the standings behind me?
You making up things again?
Nope I was commenting on your attempt to avoid the cap issue by sending a player to IR that is listed as Day to Day. Players listed day to day remain on the active roster, but can not be dressed.
JiriHrdina
01-03-2007, 04:14 PM
Nope I was commenting on your attempt to avoid the cap issue by sending a player to IR that is listed as Day to Day. Players listed day to day remain on the active roster, but can not be dressed.
Actually that's not true. There was some confusion early on this season regarding that - but players that are day to day should be sent to IR as well.
Once a player can be used again in game action (96 OVR and above CON rating) they need to be activated from IR.
Nope I was commenting on your attempt to avoid the cap issue by sending a player to IR that is listed as Day to Day. Players listed day to day remain on the active roster, but can not be dressed.
Funny you mention this as I just so happened to ask Grant this last night.
Take a look and check out where Malik is now.
Actually that's not true. There was some confusion early on this season regarding that - but players that are day to day should be sent to IR as well.
Once a player can be used again in game action (96 OVR and above CON rating) they need to be activated from IR.
Thanks for clearing that up Grant.
I would have said that but then we would have seen 10 pages of rebuttal from Beerfund about why it's not true.
Beerfund
01-03-2007, 05:22 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Grant.
I would have said that but then we would have seen 10 pages of rebuttal from Beerfund about why it's not true.
Fair enough, just basing the interpretation on a call earlier this season when I sent a player to IR, and was told he did not need to be sent to IR as he was only Day to day. I assumed this was the same situation.
Hopefully, that is short enough for you to read. I tried to leave out the big words.
I am willing to bet that the player was listed as day to day BUT was able to play in the SIM, therfore it wasn't neccessary to put him on IR.
That's the difference I believe...anyone?
Beerfund
01-03-2007, 08:42 PM
I am willing to bet that the player was listed as day to day BUT was able to play in the SIM, therfore it wasn't neccessary to put him on IR.
That's the difference I believe...anyone?
You would lose that bet, but it really makes no difference. I wasn't looking to avoid any sort of cap or roster issue at the time so it wasn't a huge deal then. We have clarification, I'm good with that.
Jebus settle down ######...I want more clarification!
If a player is technically "day to day" BUT you are able to dress them in the sim, do they have to be on IR?
KevanGuy
01-03-2007, 08:49 PM
If a player cant be played in the SIM he has to be on the IR. That is the bottom line.
If a player cant be played in the SIM he has to be on the IR. That is the bottom line.
Thank you! I knew I was right...again.
:cool:
Flickered Flame
01-03-2007, 08:56 PM
Anyone else sick of all the ****ing matches going on between these 2?
Three pages in a waiver thread....you guys should be busy doing other things with your time.
Beerfund
01-03-2007, 08:58 PM
Anyone else sick of all the ****ing matches going on between these 2?
I certainly am.
Than stop posting...it's simple! Go make a trade or something instead of worrying about me waiving THE BIG DICK.\
Becky, Mango, Sylvanfan and a bunch of others make normal posts when people like you accuse me of doing something against the rules when you were completely wrong...you were not even close to being right. Give it a rest.
I would like to finish by saying there is a "complaint" link on your roster page that you can fill out and send to the league if you see fit. I would rather you do that than clutter up the forum with this junk.
That is all.
HelloHockeyFans
01-03-2007, 09:07 PM
Anyone else sick of all the ****ing matches going on between these 2?
Yeeeeep.
Happens about once a month... hmmm..... :ph34r:
Yeeeeep.
Happens about once a month... hmmm..... :ph34r:
About the same time you have to shave that one hair that grows on your head....:D
Beerfund
01-03-2007, 09:20 PM
Yeeeeep.
Happens about once a month... hmmm..... :ph34r:
LOL
JiriHrdina
01-03-2007, 09:58 PM
Wow what a train wreck.
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